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    I loves Balthier! He can dodge things while asleep o-o. Fran is on the same level as Balthier in the favorite meter. I also love Larsa, especially when he made fun of Vaan. Then comes Ashe, cause she puts everything in perspective and then ends up as my best mage. After her comes Penelo, cause she was the first to finish her liscence board and she also cheers me up.

    I hates Vayne. He's weird and... yeah, he just makes you hate him. Then Vaan is a wimp, normally the first to die in my battles and the last to flee (the idiot). He gets the least concurrences and then he sucks with a Save the Queen. Basch kills him in just about one hit. But my least favorite character of all is the Wild Malboro. He was just plain annoying.

    By the way, Vaan and Penelo actually WERE added at the end. At first, the main character was Basch, but they thought it the game would be a bust that way and switched it at the last minute. Poor Basch, lost his spotlight.

    And Fran and Lulu were supposed to seem without emotion: they had "endured" so much in their lives that they had to lose their emotion to survive (at least, this is how I think of it).

    And (just to add a little more to this long first post because I am happy just being here) FFXII came after the guy who co-made Square Soft and made the first FF left (Hironobu Sushimi [i think thats how its spelled]). He left because they decided to butcher his FFX story by making FFX-2. I still don't like that game.

    Has anyone ever fully explored the Great Crystal? I attempted it, and almost got whipped. Fran was the one who got me out of there. (This is why I have so much respect for Fran; she's on the same level as Balthier for me.) I'm going on hour 220, and my peeps are at lvl 76-78 boys being the lowest because the girls canwhip much more monster ass than them.

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    Favorite: Basch, Balthier, Fran
    Least Fav: Penelo

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    Just like to say this is my first post (yay)

    Fav: Balthier
    Not: Penelo and Ashe

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    Fav :Ashe
    All the way down even below crap: Penelo

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    Fave: Larsa He's cute and has infinite hi and x potions. What more could I want?
    Least Fav: Vaan - the only time he's been out of my reserve party is during my ECC challenge (and the start obviously)
    Larsa is amazing. Deal with it

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    Dang, FFXII has an awesome cast; choosing a favorite is hard! I really like the level of maturity in FFXII's story and characters, it's something I myself would create if it were up to me, because they all reflect a bit of my own personality. I'm not terribly far into the game yet, but so far Vaan is one of my favorite protagonists; he's not whiny, he's not annoying, he simply has strong values and follows them wherever he may go. Penelo is the same way, and is among my favorite female leads in a FF game next to probably Celes, Terra, Rosa, Garnet, and Yuna. Balthier and Fran are just awesome in every way. Basch is pretty cool, although it seems that his time imprisoned made him a little iffy, but that's understandable. As for Ashe, it's been too long for me seeing much of her, but from what I recall, she's pretty cool as well.

    So, I suppose if I had to rank them, this would be my list:

    Favorite:
    Vaan
    Penelo
    Balthier
    Fran
    Basch
    Ashe
    Least favorite

    Overall, after starting back up on FFXII, I can honestly say it's got one of my favorite casts of characters in the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centercore7989 View Post
    Favorite:
    Vaan
    Penelo
    Balthier
    Fran
    Basch
    Ashe
    Least favorite
    Reverse that order, and then flip Basch/Ashe and flip Balthier/Fran and you have my list.

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    Favorite: Balthier...well he's the hero in the game...right?
    Less: Vaan...never had a more annoying "main" character before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holylulu View Post
    Favorite: Balthier...well he's the hero in the game...right?
    Less: Vaan...never had a more annoying "main" character before
    Well, at least he's more tolerable than Tidus (coming from a huge fan of FFX). But I agree that Balthier is a far better and more deserving character for the lead role.

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    Basch is the hero to me.
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    Fav: Fran (aaah...)

    Less: Any male character... je je je... including Balthier.

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    Fav: Basch
    Least: Fran (stupid voice is stupid)
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    I thought Fran's voice acting was awesome, and she's my favourite. Then penelo, balthier, ashe, vaan, and basch. I cant imagine basch as a main character. Ugh.

    I dont feel like any of them are truly main characters. Some would say vaan but I think the group all holds equal, and vaan was chosen as a viewpoint character.

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    Favorite:Fran Ashe Basch
    Fran was nigh emotionless but she is generally older than all of them and has seen a lot
    I like Ashe cause she wasn't a damsel in distress and Basch was just cooler than Vaan. But then again so was everybody.

    Least Favorite: Vaan Penelo
    There was basically nothing special I like about Vaan. Sure he wanted to be a sky pirate and get out of the slums but the way he did it was nothing special. Penelo was just there.

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    we have something in common! I posted my first post on this thread as well!

    Great i'm a sadistic evil person with a wing sticking out of his back. F***ing Fantastic. Oh well at least I have a big sword

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    Penelo was just there.
    I agree... She just fiilled space and made the party count an even 6.

    IF she was narrating the story, then (in my eyes) she would have been 10 times better. She would have been the ultimate wallflower (someone who just observes what goes on) of the series; which would have been different than the other narrators. I don't think that the final fantasy games have ever had a true wallflower..... and seeing as how Penelo has NO other purpose, she could definitely fill that niche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scryer View Post
    I agree... She just fiilled space and made the party count an even 6.

    IF she was narrating the story, then (in my eyes) she would have been 10 times better. She would have been the ultimate wallflower (someone who just observes what goes on) of the series; which would have been different than the other narrators. I don't think that the final fantasy games have ever had a true wallflower..... and seeing as how Penelo has NO other purpose, she could definitely fill that niche.
    First off, why are you calling it a niche?

    Second, she isn't being a wallflower narrator because this is already Vaan's role.

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    Fave character???? Montblanc?? Playable: Basch.

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    I like most of the characters, so this a hard question, in the best possible way.

    In fact, I'll just cheat and put them in groups...

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    Fave: Ashe, Basch.
    Least Fave: Fran.

    Ashe is my favourite FF heroine, by far. She's tough enough that she doesn't feel like just a love interest character, but not so tough that you can't like her (as Lightning sometimes suffers from, being too stand-offish). And Basch is just great - ever suffering, but comes back for more. Love it.

    I say Fran mainly because of her poor voice acting, but she also doesn't get much to do. Penelo doesn't get much screen time either, but I really liked her (I loved giving her a Greatsword and seeing her dragging it along!)


    Guests/Friendly NPCs etc:
    Fave: Al-Cid, Larssa Solidor.
    Least Fave: Old Dalan, Migello.

    They really messed up the opening, with so many poor NPCs (Vayne being so awful doesn't help matters either). Migello, Dalan, Kytes etc are woeful characters with equally terrible voice acting.

    Their various tedious side quests, contribute to a deathly slow opening section that Vaan unjustly gets most of the blame for, from fans. I actually quite like Vaan, but he's only really important in this first section - and it sucks.

    Al-Cid is ace and you should have been able to have him as at least a guest character. Larrsa is a suprisingly great character, too.


    Baddies.
    Fave: Judge Ghis, Judge Drace, Ba'Gamnan, Judge Gabranth, Doctor Cid, the Occuria (hell, all the baddies, except Vayne!).
    Least Fave: Vayne Solidor!

    I thought the bad guys of FF12 were excellent, one of the strongest of any of the games. The tragedy however, is that the most important villain - Vayne Solidor - was absolutely terrible!

    His voice acting was just appalling, but you have to say that the director deserves at least some of the blame for continuing to go with this guy.

    It should have obvious from the start that it wasn't working out (it was obvious to everyone else who played it!), so they really should have got someone else in.

    It's sad that the game's villains get dismissed because of this, though. I loved all the rest of the villains, with my only complaint being that they don't get enough to do.

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    What's the problem with Vayne?

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    Let's be clear that I have no problem with the idea of the character - just the execution. And my ire towards him is fueled mostly by the thought of what could have been.

    As to specfics though, his voice acting is just atrocious, for a start. His speech in Rabanastre is cringe inducingly wooden, and so is his dialogue to the party at the end.

    And he's not used well in the game, in general, considering he is the main villain. The party meet him twice ever (Vaan sort of meets him 3 times, if you count the running along by the parade car bit). And they only speak to him right at the end.

    He has good schemes and I have to admit that at several crucial stages when we need to be sold as to whether he genuinely believes in what he's doing, the actor does manage to pull it off (the murder of Emperor Gramis, his lamentations at his failure to be the Dynast King the world needs etc).

    But he fluffs others big time (the opening speech being a particularly damaging example, as first impressions count, as we all know). Plus, his lack of on-screen villainy in front of the party, means they don't have the same connection to him that they do to other villains.

    People like Doctor Cid (who is in the game very little, but makes up for it with with first bombastic and later touchingly sad appearances), Ba'Gamnan (who just screams 'I am complete and utter scum and I love it - ya-harr!'), and of course Gabranth.

    Even Ghis builds up some rapport with the party, simply because he keeps showing up to rain on their parade. And crucially, he always makes sure to get in some quality gloating right in their faces as he does so.

    Vayne is much more low key and (as the plot demands) hard to read and fathom. Which is great, but because the character has so much promise, it makes the indifferent execution so hard to forgive.

    I loved the early scenes where he looks at Vaan, frowning as if he remembers him from somewhere (Vaan and Reks are twins, and Vayne has Reks killed to fulfill his plans).

    So I read this scenes that Vayne hadn't consciously made the connection, instead feeling a slight tug of guilt that he can't explain when he looks at Vaan.

    But then... nothing! They don't meet again until the end and even then, they barely speak (if they do at all). Because by that time, Ashe has completely taken over from Vaan as the main character.

    The final fight also seems to ignore the fact that they've been bigging Vayne up as the greatest swordman in the Empire. He's faced with a deadly confrontation against superior odds... and uses his fists, and some magic?

    That'd be okay, if he at least threw his sword away or something, to show his contempt for their fighting skills. And no, the floating magic swords don't count!

    I wanted to like Vayne - I really did, and believe me, I tried. But you see him so little, and he does so little on screen. That, combined with the dreadfully wooden acting, made him a huge disappointment.

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    I played the english version & the voice acting on Vayne was well to me.
    I've never heared about that he was a great swordman.
    I like him as a villain, because is one of the most human villain that I've ever saw, many villains throughout the history of JRPG's had god complexes or were just total nutcases or just they were just a big monster, Vayne at least served a purpose with Cid together.
    Besides I always saw him as a political figure more than a fighter.
    I don't know, I've never had any problem with Vayne, he's actually one of my fauvorites.

    The only voice that bothered me a little was Vaan's specially at the scene where the Ifrit attacks the rebels on Rabanastre's palace.

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    For Favorites - Fran and Balthier, like a Han Solo and Chewbacca thing, but much better cause his chewie is a Viera.

    For Least Favorites - Vayne, Larsa, basically anyone imperial because the need of the voice actors to have British accents is far beyond necessary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayfabe View Post
    First off, why are you calling it a niche?

    Second, she isn't being a wallflower narrator because this is already Vaan's role.
    Well a niche is a function that an organism has in the environment. This might be my biology classes messing up my vocabulary again =P . I should have said that it would have given her a role in the story. Here's a link to support this:

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    I know that she isn't being a wallflower narrator; my post was a hypothetical suggestion. I never said that she was a wallflower narrator, I just said that she could have been a really good one. And for the record, Vaan doesn't narrate shit after Raithwall's tomb =P .

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    You'll have to ask someone else for the exact references, but I distinctly remember that they talk of Vayne's unsurpassed swordsmanship.

    I know I'm not imagining this, so anyone who's played recently and remembers when it is, help a guy out, eh? (I'd happily play the game again, but I've lent my copy to a mate).

    We will have to agree to disagree about Vayne's voice acting. To my ear, he sounds horribly stilted and wooden (he does get a lot more of the awkward 'olde english' lines to grapple with though, in his defence).

    And yes, great idea for a villain in principle. But then, like I said, I really liked the villains in FF12. Even the ships with the names of summons, seemed to really have their own character about them.

    Even when I know I will bash the end baddies easily because of my max level team, it still sends a chill down my spine when the words 'Sky Fortress Bahamut' come up...

    And I've got to stick up for Vaan. He's not nearly as bad as people say he is. It isn't the character's fault that he practically gets written out, nor is his fault that he was a substitute for Basch as main character (would don't get me wrong, would have been my preference).

    The only problem I have with Vaan in terms of his actual character, is that it was pretty soppy of them, to have him picking flowers for his brother, wasn't it?

    The whole thing with Vaan's wish for revenge against Basch is a good idea (hell, they used it again straight away with Hope and Snow!), but whether justly or unjustly, the soppy way they go about it, has failed to get people behind it (with most people accusing Vaan of being a whining bitch etc).

    So some early misteps get people set against him, and he never gets the chance to redeem himself, as his story development effectively ends, when he and Basch come to terms in Rabanastre.

    As for Penelo, I really liked her. She wasn't annoyingly hyperactive, and seemed level headed and capable. But she gets absolutely nothing to do.

    But consider that unless they are the main heroine in a Final Fantasy game, female characters regularly get nothing to do. (Final Fantasy 13 is a bit different, because FFX-2 tells us the writer likes writing for strong female characters).

    But beyond a handful of scenes, what do characters like Yuffie, Quistis, Selphie, Freya, Lulu etc actually do? You could fit all their significant scenes onto the back of a small postage stamp with a very big pen.

    Same with Fran. She goes beserk on the Leviathan, visits her home village... and what else?

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