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    Changes for the 9th Annual Favourite Final Fantasy Character Knockout Game

    Hi everyone,

    My Knockout Game has been running for 8 years now! It's gone way too quick. If you want to take part in this year's game we're still running it, go here for more - [Hidden link. Register to see links.]

    But every couple of years since the 4th year we've added and removed characters from the game that are underperforming. For the first 4 years, there was 9 characters from each FF game from FF1 all the way to FF14 and also FF Tactics. Then 4 years ago we removed the underperforming characters and added other characters from the more "popular games". Then 2 years ago again we removed a few more characters to make room for 9 new FF15 characters. We now have a total of 129 characters, with the previous winner taking the year off year upon year.

    Finding the right balance between having popular FF characters and equal games represented has been difficult. But over the last few years I made a rule which was we'd make sure there was at least 6 characters from each game being represented. And I do intend on keeping that rule.

    But we can still make adjustments and add new characters and perhaps revisit old characters into the games to keep things more fresh. So that's why I've made this thread!

    16 underperforming characters will be removed after the 8th annual games. And to replace them, is one different character from each of the games we're using. Sure, this will mean certain games in the series will have more representives but I also think it's for the better of the game going forward.

    What I'll do is suggest three characters from each of the 16 games to replace them, and your job is choose your favourite of those three.

    Some of the characters have been in the games before and if they have, I'll explain how many points they accumulated and when they were removed. But every Final Fantasy game has at least one brand new representative, and it's your choice whether or not to give them a shot or bring back some old blood for a second chance.

    So, here are the contenders! Please choose one character from each FF game!

    FF1
    Lich - Was removed two years ago after getting 14 points in six years. Does he deserve to return?
    Kraken - Was also removed two years ago but was only in the games for two years, getting 3 point in total. Was it harsh to cut him so soon?
    King Cornelia - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF2
    Josef - Was removed two years ago after getting 13 points in six years. Does he deserve a second chance?
    Minwu - Was an early casualty four years ago, getting 4 points in four years. Can he make a comeback?
    Scott - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF3
    Xande - A personal favourite of mine, he was removed two years ago and got 7 points in six years. What do you think about returning him to the games?
    Cloud of Darkness - The main villain! However she got 5 points in four years before getting removed four years ago. After featuring in Dissidia again, does she deserve another shot?
    Hein - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF4 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Edge
    FuSoYa
    Edward

    FF5
    Bartz - The main character for some reason never felt the love, getting only 4 points in four years before getting booted out four years ago. Does he deserve another chance?
    Ghido - brand new, never played in the games before.
    Syldra - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF6 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Cyan
    Gau
    Mog

    FF7 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Reno
    Yuffie
    Cait Sith

    FF8 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Ultimecia
    Cid
    Ward

    FF9 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Baku
    Eiko
    Amarant

    FF10 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Cid
    Maester Mika
    O'aka XXIII

    FF11
    Aldo - 12 points in six years before being removed two years ago. Was it harsh? You decide!
    Tenzen - Tenzen was removed four years ago after getting 5 points in four years. Does he deserve another chance?
    Eald'narche - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF12
    Vaan - The main character didn't feel much love in the six years he was in the game, getting 14 points in total. Does he deserve a return?
    Montblanc - Was voted on four years ago as a new character but then got 3 points in two years after, before exiting two years ago. Was it too soon? Do you want him back in?
    Ba'Gamnan - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF13
    Fang - Was kicked out two years ago but got 7 points in six years prior to that. Do you like her? If so, give her another chance!
    Barthandelus - Another personal favourite of mine, the main villain from FF13 got 6 points in four years before getting the boot four years ago. Would you like to see him again?
    Nora - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF14
    Gaius (aka Zulvaan) - Got 6 points in four years before saying goodbye four years ago. Shall we give him an opportunity for a comeback?
    Hydaelyn - brand new, never played in the games before.
    Cid nan Garlond - brand new, never played in the games before.

    FF15 - none of these characters have played in the games before, who's your favourite to have their debut?
    Regis
    Cindy
    Ravus

    FF Tactics
    Malak - Malak was in the games for six years, getting 10 points in that time before being removed two years ago. Does he deserve another go?
    Meliadoul - Four years in the games, 4 points in that time. Has been out for four years. Shall we put them back in?
    Wiegraf - brand new, never played in the games before.

    Before I wrap up - you may have noticed I've not announced which 16 characters are being removed yet. Why? There's a simple reason for that, and that's because some of the characters that are set to be removed are actually still in this year's game and are doing relatively well. So if they end up having an amazing game this year, they may actually avoid being removed completely and force another character into that slot. So when it's all set, I'll announce the characters that will be removed. It may be at the end of Round 2, but if one or two of the characters have a super year, it may even be Round 3 or beyond!

    ---------- Post added at 07:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:16 PM ----------

    Here are my votes...

    Kraken
    Josef
    Xande
    Edge
    Bartz
    Cyan
    Reno
    Cid (FF8)
    Baku
    Cid (FF10)
    Eald'narche
    Ba'Gamnan
    Barthandelus
    Cid nan Garlond
    Cindy
    Wiegraf
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    FF1
    Lich

    FF2
    Minwu

    FF3
    Cloud of Darkness

    FF4
    FuSoYa

    FF5
    Syldraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    FF6
    Cyan

    FF7
    Cait Sith

    FF8
    Ultimecia

    FF9
    Amarant

    FF10
    Cid

    FF11
    Aldo

    FF12
    Ba'Gamnan

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    Nora

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    Cid nan Garlond

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    Ravus

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    FFI
    King Cornelia

    FFII
    Josef

    FFIII
    Cloud of Darkness

    FFIV
    Edge

    FFV
    Syldra

    FFVI
    Cyan

    FFVII
    Yuffie

    FFVIII
    Cid

    FFIX
    Eiko

    FFX
    Maester Mika

    FFXI
    Eald'narche

    FFXII
    Montblanc

    FFXIII
    Fang

    FFXIV
    Nora

    FFXV
    Regis

    FFTactics
    Wiegraf

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    Quote Originally Posted by feralanima View Post
    FFI
    King Cornelia

    FFII
    Josef

    FFIII
    Cloud of Darkness

    FFIV
    Edge

    FFV
    Syldra

    FFVI
    Cyan

    FFVII
    Yuffie

    FFVIII
    Cid

    FFIX
    Eiko

    FFX
    Maester Mika

    FFXI
    Eald'narche

    FFXII
    Montblanc

    FFXIII
    Fang

    FFXIV
    Nora

    FFXV
    Regis

    FFTactics
    Wiegraf
    Sorry feralanima, can you revote for FF14? I think you chose Nora from the FF13 pool

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    I have a preservation request! Can we keep Leila (FF2) around? Having finally played FF2 and considering it my least favorite in the series that I've experienced (1-10, T) by a large margin, she stood out to me as a distinctly more likable character than rest of the cast. I'd hate to see the only FF2 character I would actually vote over some more popular contenders get cut one run after I actually got to play her. I think Gordon would be next on the chopping block? for whatever that's worth.

    FF1
    Lich

    FF2
    Minwu !!

    FF3
    Xande

    FF4
    Edge

    FF5
    Bartz

    FF6
    Cyan

    FF7
    Reno !!!!!!

    FF8
    Ultimecia ~FF8's cast was very hit or miss for me. The hits were the best part of the game, and the misses were the biggest deterrent. Cid was one of the characters I really couldn't stand. I liked Ward most of the three, but given the current votes on the table and Ultimecia offering one of the more cryptic elements of the plot with her relationship to Griever, I'm fine with either.

    FF9
    Eiko

    FF10
    Cid

    FF11
    FF12
    FF13
    FF14
    FF15
    I'm not going to vote on games I haven't played here--leaving it open for people actually familiar with them to get their favorites in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyMercyside View Post
    Sorry feralanima, can you revote for FF14? I think you chose Nora from the FF13 pool
    Bwahaha! You're right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad View Post
    I have a preservation request! Can we keep Leila (FF2) around? Having finally played FF2 and considering it my least favorite in the series that I've experienced (1-10, T) by a large margin, she stood out to me as a distinctly more likable character than rest of the cast. I'd hate to see the only FF2 character I would actually vote over some more popular contenders get cut one run after I actually got to play her. I think Gordon would be next on the chopping block? for whatever that's worth.
    Leila is staying

    She does have less points than Gordon but she's also not been around since the beginning, so her 10 points over 4 years works out better than Gordon's 17 points over 8 years. So yes, Gordon will be getting the chopping block from FF2 and is the only character to do so.

    I'll announce the whole list when Round 2/3 finishes, depending on how well certain underperforming characters still in this years game do.

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    FFI
    Kraken

    FFII
    Minwu

    FFIII
    Xande

    FFIV
    Spoony bard

    FFV
    Butz

    FFVI
    Cyan

    FFVII
    Yuffie

    FFVIII
    Robin Williams

    FFIX
    Eiko

    FFX
    Maester Mika

    FFXI


    FFXII
    Montblanc

    FFXIII
    Barthandelus

    FFXIV
    Cid

    FFXV
    Cindy

    FFTactics
    Wiegraf

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    Is FF11 blank on purpose Szczepan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyMercyside View Post
    Is FF11 blank on purpose Szczepan?
    Yep, I haven't played it :/

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    Thanks for voting guys, 13 of the 16 new characters have been voted and decided on.

    It leaves 3 more characters to vote on. So we'll reset the vote.

    Who would you like to see in the 9th Annual Knockout Game?

    a) Lich or Kraken? (FF1)
    b) Reno or Yuffie? (FF7)
    c) Ba'Gamnan or Montblanc? (FF12)

    Also, the 16 characters being removed from the game have been decided and I will reveal them after the tiebreakers above are resolved.

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    Kraken
    Yuffie
    Montblanc

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    Kraken
    Reno
    Ba'Gamnan

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    a) Lich
    b) Reno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad View Post
    a) Lich
    b) Reno
    The only vote in the balance really now is the FF12 one... go on Shad, give it a shot!

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    haha casting the tie breaker for a game I've never played before

    Well, Ba'Gamnan looks a lot cooler on a google image search, so there you go. \_(ツ)_/

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    So then it's settled, we have 16 characters leaving and 16 characters coming in, some old and some new!

    16 Characters We Say Goodbye To

    Tiamat (FF1)- Tiamat's 17 points in 8 years isn't a great return so he leaves the game. His best run was in the 2012 game when he got 5 points and finished 58th.



    Gordon (FF2) - Same as Tiamat, Gordon is an original member of this game and also got 17 points in 8 years. Most of those points were in his first year in 2011, when he got 13 points and finished 24th, so 4 points in the last 7 years is an awful return.



    Djinn (FF3) - A personal favourite of mine, is another original but only got 13 points in 8 years. His best performance was in 2015 when he came 62nd and got 4 points.



    Zemus (FF4) - The main antagonist of FF4 gets removed from the game. 22 points in 8 years is one of the more debatable scalps from the game, but overall he's just not popular enough. His best effort was in 2012 when he got 7 points, finishing 46th.



    King Tycoon (FF5) - Overall he doesn't play that big a role in the game but he's one of the first characters you see. His 16 points in 8 years means on average he got 2 points per year. Not good enough. In 2014 he got 6 points and his best placement of 47th.



    No characters removed from FF6, FF7, FF8 or FF9)

    Wakka (FF10) - One of the more controversial removals, but a total of 22 points in 8 years isn't good. He was one of the characters that almost made the cut, because he finished 47th this year getting 5 points, his best run. Close but no cigar.



    Yunalesca (FF10) - One of the "blue" characters, she joined us 4 years ago and has received only 5 years in that time. Was one of the easiest removals from the game. 2015, her first year, was her best year when she got 3 points and 67th place. Second character from FF10 to be removed.



    Lion (FF11) - She got 14 points in 8 years which just isn't enough. Her best year was 2015 when she got 3 points, finishing in 67th place.



    No characters removed from FF12

    Hope (FF13) - He's long been a contender for removal but now he finally gets the chop. 13 points in 8 years. His first year was his best, 4 points and 65th place.



    Niellefresne (FF14) - 8 years, 11 points. Not good enough. In 2014 he got 4 points and 60th place, his best run.



    And now for the unfortunate FF15 purge...

    Cor (FF15) - I liked Cor! Shame. But his 6 points in 2 years made it difficult to keep him in. He had a good year last year when he got his 5 points, finishing in 55th place.



    Gladiolus (FF15) - Another controversial removal. He too got 6 points in 2 years, and all 6 points were last year, when he finished 41st.



    Iris (FF15) - Another personal favourite of mine, but she only got 4 points in 2 years. Both years she got 2 points, this year's placement was slightly better at 65th.



    Ardyn (FF15) - I thought Ardyn was a decent villain, but 2 points in 2 years is simply not good enough. Both of those points were last year when he came in 72nd place. Four characters from FF15 removed, which is a shame. Hopefully they may return in the future.



    Mustadio (FF Tactics) - Both FF Tactics characters are controversial removals because they have the most points of anyone that have been removed. Mustadio got 23 points in 8 years and his best performances were 2015 when he came 48th and 6 points, but he got 7 points in 2016 but ended up in 51st place.



    Rafa (FF Tactics) - Again, 23 points in 8 years and an arguably harsh removal. Her best performance was when she came 30th with 9 points back in 2014.



    So there we are! All 16 removals from the games. Some are more harsh than others, but just so you're all aware, none of the characters removed have a better average than 3 points per year. The total combined points these 16 characters have had in 8 years is 214, and to compare, last year's total tally of points alone was 730. So we're removing characters that have underperformed in one way or another here.
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    16 Characters We Say Hello To!

    5 characters are returning characters but the other 11 are brand new. Here they are...

    Kraken (FF1) - returning character. Got 3 points in 2 years previously. Let's hope they do better next time!



    Josef (FF2) - returning character. Got 12 points in 6 years previously. Here's to performing better on his return!



    Xande (FF3) - returning character. A poor performance of 7 points in 6 years previously, let's see how he does this time round!



    Edge (FF4) - brand new character.



    Bartz (FF5) - returning character. Let's hope the main protagonist can improve on his 4 points in 4 years!



    Cyan (FF6) - brand new character.



    Yuffie (FF7) - brand new character.



    Cid (FF8) - brand new character.



    Eiko (FF9) - brand new character.



    Cid (FF10) - brand new character.



    Eald'narche (FF11) - brand new character.



    Ba'Gamnan (FF12) - brand new character.



    Barthandelus (FF13) - returning character. A personal favourite of mine, hopefully he does better than his 6 points in 4 years.



    Cid nan Garlond (FF14) - brand new character.



    Cindy (FF15) - brand new character.



    Wiegraf (FF Tactics) - brand new character.



    ...so 3 new Cid's! That brings us to 9 Cid's in total! I hope you like your shiny new characters for next year's game!

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