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    Are we allowed to post out of print albums from the likes of Varese Sarabande, et al.?

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    Nothing, oop or otherwise from Varese may be posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babydoll View Post
    Nothing, oop or otherwise from Varese may be posted.
    To the uninitiated oop means out-of-print.

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    I'm surprised this isn't stickied, but maybe that's to prevent everyone from freaking out

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyedecker View Post
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    I may have missed this bit somewhere--

    If Varese had a commercial release of a score, but someone posts an expanded/bootleg/complete version of it (whether it be from a source or isolated from the DVD), is that also not allowed? It's kind of ambiguous, since a lot of the expanded scores integrate the commercially released tracks seamlessly, while others separate them from the new tracks, some to the point of not even including them. So is the ban limited to just the commercial release album, or just the score in general (if it even included any bits from the commercial album)? Thanks.

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    The ban covers any music associated with the release, I believe. If Varese licenses a score, they have the rights to it, whether or not they choose to release it. No dvd rip, or unreleased tracks can be posted, since varese still maintains the rights. They can license a score and not release any of it if they want since they hold the rights.
    Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it's fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label.....

    The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.

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    It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.

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    Thanks for the succinct response, babydoll. I wasn't sure before, but reading your explanation for the licensing makes a little more sense, or perhaps "less" since it does make one scratch heads if the composer himself couldn't even post it. Sucks for all, since unreleased rarities will remain just that.

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    I assume that Water Tower Music can't be posted due to being part of Warner Bros?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Or it means you're just two steps away from going to HELL!!!
    oh, gotcha. thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by babydoll View Post
    The ban covers any music associated with the release, I believe. If Varese licenses a score, they have the rights to it, whether or not they choose to release it. No dvd rip, or unreleased tracks can be posted, since varese still maintains the rights. They can license a score and not release any of it if they want since they hold the rights.
    Which sucks, but there it is. Now if someone else gets the rights and puts out the album, it's fair game. Like with the remastered terminator 2. The new album contains the exact same tracks as the varese, but since it is a different label.....

    The absolute best way to decide would be to ask an admin about it before posting, I guess.

    ---------- Post added at 09:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 AM ----------

    It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.
    so then spiderman 3, which has never seen an official score release, is still technically off-limits? oh and what about all the bond scores? they're emi releases. is emi part of riaa?

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    Ok. Well a mod will point you to the first post, which legally covers the out of bounds music. However, of the large to middle labels, I think only Varese Sarabande and FSM are on the banned list. Plus trailer companies like Two Steps From Hell, and a couple of individual composers. Of course, the Varese ban extends to any of their labels, even the ones they use to release overseas, like Volcano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyedecker View Post
    so then spiderman 3, which has never seen an official score release, is still technically off-limits?
    Since Spider-Man 3 have never been officially released by any label and much less by any of the banned labels, then you are ok to share it on the shrine.


    oh and what about all the bond scores? they're emi releases. is emi part of riaa?
    Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanico View Post
    Since Spider-Man 3 have never been officially released by any label and much less by any of the banned labels, then you are ok to share it on the shrine.



    Well technically it is illegal to upload/download music that is copyrighted, and EMI is represented by RIAA yes like all of the big music labels, but since the shrine allows you to (illicitly) share music, that ban only takes effect if you share mainstream music by RIAA, outside of the soundtracks, classical music and j-pop genres. Hence why you will never see for example Madonna albums posted on the shrine, but you can see the Spider-man score soundtracks released by Sony or the James Bond albums released by EMI.
    does anyone know what the labels' views are on fan-made expanded soundtracks?

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    Those who think "this is technically illegal", should get the hell out. And go back to school. Copyright means just that, it is my right to copy. And under Fair Use doctrines I have the right to share that freely. Infringement only occurs if the original rights owner is somehow intentionally damaged (by deprivation of value, theft of sales, impugning reputation, ect...). [Hidden link. Register to see links.]

    Once a rights owner distributes his product for free, that owner cannot prevent continued free sharing. Two Steps From Hell does offer free streaming music at their website. They do still have the right to ask you not to share that music. And you can put it back up again. This action has been upheld in higher courts worldwide more than once. Carefully note that legal defense costs are extremely expensive and have bankrupted more than one 'winner' (notably Veoh vs. Universal Music [Hidden link. Register to see links.]). Better to just roll over and let the big dogs fight. They don't want our free promotional efforts, fine... we'll devote our efforts to someone that loves music first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babydoll View Post
    ---------- Post added at 09:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:13 AM ----------It's not really so much murky, as depressing and frustrating. But the studios and labels can do what they want with "their" music. As an example of that. I point out the promo score fot Transformers Prime posted here. Brian Tyler? did the music. He had tracks up on his website. Hasbro which owns the show--and the music--made him take it down. There is no label licensed to produce an album, and there may never be, but the man who did the music in the first place cannot legally post it. Blech.
    If you think it is not 'murky', you haven't visited the U.S. Copyright Office website;
    - Fair Use - The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may ...
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    You are right, it is mostly depressing and frustrating. So sad. RE: Composer Brian Tyler. He can not sell his rights and still keep them... except under the Fair Use doctrine*. Legally he can still post it, and legally Hasbro can have him to take it down. BTW - he put it up again @ [Hidden link. Register to see links.] and [Hidden link. Register to see links.] (or at least part of it is up).


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    I honestly think if people don't want their music downloaded then they don't want business. Everyone knows that if anything piracy help these companies. It gets the name of their company and software out there. Some people release stuff through "illegal" sites on purpose just so people will hear about them knowing some will actually buy their music.

    Me personally? I download Game music only because usually you can't find it on a actual CD. I do download "other" music just to see if it is good or not. If its good I buy that particular song on Itunes. There are previews on Itunes and stuff but sometimes the previews can be misleading. >.<

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    Red face From the history of music piracy...

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