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    Cloud in Smash Bros.

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    Pretty much indifferent, personally; already got to kick his ass in EHRGEIZ: God Bless the Ring.
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    Suprised but not too much, I do like the various nods to FF7 though. Too bad I still can't be arsed to buy a Wii U.

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    Another attempt to get more money by SE is all. Meh... Still beat the snot out of him with the Wii Fit Trainer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
    Another attempt to get more money by SE is all. Meh... Still beat the snot out of him with the Wii Fit Trainer.
    As I plan to do.

    Still haven't played FF7 (yeah, yeah, I'll get around to it eventually) so I just think he looks pretty fun to use. But it was fun watching certain Youtubers' reactions to the announcement...

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    If there was a actual Amiibo figure... I admit, I'd probably look into getting it to add to my collection (only have 8 so far) and have on display with the other figures/statues I have collected over the years... But I have to say, I like Ike far more than Cloud.

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    [rant ensuing]God, I'm so tired of FF7 and Cloud. I mean, how much can they milk a goddamn stereotype? Enough is enough. It would pain me less if Cloud had more personality than a brick wall, but as it stands, all Cloud is is a leather-wearing big-sword-toting angsty teen kid. Were any of those quotes he said in Smash relevant to anything like a personality? No, because he's just a cliché now. He could be a mute and be the same character. What easter eggs are they going to hide for him, a motorcycle? Zack palette-swap (basically being the same character just with different hair)? I'm tired of everyone going goo-goo over Cloud and liking FF7 for that reason alone; he's just a stupid fucking broody, unlikable, undeveloped teenage samurai wannabe.

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    i just geeked out on cloud
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    and the hopes of every nintendo fanboy that SE releases a numbered FF (7's remake basically) have now lit up worse than christmas tree
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKUSHO View Post
    and the hopes of every nintendo fanboy that SE releases a numbered FF (7's remake basically) have now lit up worse than christmas tree

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    I said it before olde and ROKUSHO he is a cash cow of the series.I edited what I said to not be too vulgar.Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others? You include one but not hate others, it's preferencialism and it's going to separate the fan bases and annoy the others.

    It's all good and all that ff7 got a remake, as there is a chance for repairing the story and adding new mini games and materia, but this has nothing to do with that.All this will do, is Make the sephiroth cloud lovers come out and annoying everyone saying see? My favorite team/Game/Sports character/Videogame character beats yours.The fanbase of ff series is already very divided between pre ff7 post ff7 and post FFX.

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    It depends on what side of the fandom are you in, I do hear people talk a lot about all of those characters you mentioned, even the old first FFs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PonyoBellanote View Post
    It depends on what side of the fandom are you in, I do hear people talk a lot about all of those characters you mentioned, even the old first FFs.
    true but there are less and less interested in ff6, and the port on android didn't help one bit.It all comes down to a popularity contest now:Whatever is most popular gets the most money and gets the most attention.Ff7 is popular because it has a decent story and it's got cgi and it's newer and it was a lot of people's first RPGs.For some like me, I was around when ff1 on nes and even kid Icarus was new, so I'm not that impressed with shiny new graphics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgia gamer View Post
    I'm not that impressed with shiny new graphics.
    Spoken like a true FFShrine member. But that's not the demographic they're going for, and they definitely have a market for it. I have a brother 10 years younger than me who can't fathom why anyone would want to play a game from before the PS3 era simply because of the graphics. THAT is sad. All things considered, while I pretty much hate Cloud, in the grand scheme of things it's kind of amazing that they're still able to include a character whose main game was in 1997 and hasn't really had much mainstream success since then. That's pretty uncommon.

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    Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others?
    My sides hurt, that was a great laugh. Any way you look at it, Cloud IS the face of the franchise now. FFVII was the most successful installment and Cloud's just been in so many spin-offs/side-quels. There's no way they could include anyone else and not include him. The only other realistic possibilities I can think of are Tidus and Lightning, but the former is so whiny and annoying that I think more people would hate him than appreciate him, and the latter wasn't part of installments that were nearly as successful as FFVII or FFX. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see characters other Cloud get the HD upgrade they deserve, but let's look at the facts. Square Enix is FUCKING MORONIC in terms of their decisions, from forcing the XIII franchise down our throats for 5 years to the abysmal release of XIV, to the lack of information regarding and their noncommittal to FFXIII Versus or whatever the fuck it was? Square-Enix NEEDS a success soon and at least someone over there has enough brains to know that Cloud is the company's cash cow. Plus it's advertisement for their remake (which I assume is still being made?). On the other hand, it's Smash Bros., so who gives a fuck.

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    All the more reason cloud strife and sephiroth are the two most overrated over used over hyped and over sold characters in all gaming history.These two are on par with master chief and Markus Phoenix.

    So of course the attention cow and cash cow is going to get a remake, it sells the most.It doesn't matter if other games who deserve equal attention get lesser treatment as long as they make money right? That's all that matters, not the fanbase and its happiness.

    I'm not going to let this go either, I am really angry about the treatment us ff6 fans got.Why couldn't a dear game get same treatment as 4? Or is 4 just more important?

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    Dude, they may be the most overrated characters in the franchise (possibly gaming history), but judging from S-E's string of failures, this is their best course of action financially. It's pure pragmatism. You may not like it, and I too have personal favorites whom I'd prefer over Cloud, but I'm sure everybody does. S-E isn't screwing FF6 fans over by making Cloud a playable character in a [controversial_opinion]shitty, stupid pseudo-fighting game[/controversial_opinion]. Their remake of FF6 for the Steam release is more of an affront. At the end of the day, FF6 is basically a niche game, which is sad, sure, but that's the reality. We're entering a time where these games are starting to be forgotten and pushed aside forever. So for what it's worth, be glad there's at least an FF6 remake. Because there may come a time when they drop all support for the game entirely but renew the rights so no one can do anything in support of it ever again.

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    Well with the way they are running things I wouldn't be surprised if they run themselves into the ground like crapcom and konami.

    FFXIII was probably their most hated game and I don't know how FFXIII-2 did but I heard it was a meh but clearly the way that XIII was received, they had to make some massive changes.

    They can keep their animu for weeaboos but they have to put more effort to make it into good anime in video games, and they have to learn from Americans.Inwas reading a post buy a guy who talked about many of the American RPGs and how ff6 was more Americanized with Wolsey translation favoring the west.

    Another thing:They better put as much passion towards 7 as the fanbase, or at least as much as possible, because if they mess up 7, then they prove that they don't care about the fanbase of their series.If 7 remake sucks, all it does is give 6 fanbase more to complain about, but if it's better than the original, then some people from other fan bases will come in and it will fortify the game.If they aren't going to give it their all to make it better and improve upon it in every way possible, turn they shouldn't bother doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgia gamer View Post
    They can keep their animu for weeaboos
    No. Please God, no more.

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    they have to learn from Americans.I was reading a post by a guy who talked about many of the American RPGs and how ff6 was more Americanized with Wolsey translation favoring the west.
    Agreed. The old Square style was more westernized than the stuff they're churning out now. If their market is Japan, then they should just pool all their resources into making it for Japan. But they can't expect to be a successful international competitor if they willfully alienate a huge market to whom they're selling.

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    Another thing:They better put as much passion towards 7 as the fanbase, or at least as much as possible, because if they mess up 7, then they prove that they don't care about the fanbase of their series.
    I don't think they see the franchise as anything other than their money churning cash cow. They're going to fuck it up because they don't have any passion. All their latest work is glittery and shimmery on the outside but cold and lifeless on the inside. Seems they're already down the road of fuckuppery since the game is apparently now [Hidden link. Register to see links.], aka episodic.

    SERIOUSLY, HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO REMAKE A GODDAMN GAME WITHOUT FUCKING IT UP?!?!?!?!?!?!

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    There is still a chance that the new game comes out better with more detailed story.Ff4 came out good on DS and some of the voice actors were good, so maybe the episodic version of 7 will come out good(crosses fingers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgia gamer View Post
    I said it before olde and ROKUSHO he is a cash cow of the series.I edited what I said to not be too vulgar.Hes the face of the series whilst others get the ignored, which is unfair.What about Bartz/Butz Kain Cecil or squall? What about Terra vaan I can't remember all the FFXII characters Tidus of course and all the others? You include one but not hate others, it's preferencialism and it's going to separate the fan bases and annoy the others.

    It's all good and all that ff7 got a remake, as there is a chance for repairing the story and adding new mini games and materia, but this has nothing to do with that.All this will do, is Make the sephiroth cloud lovers come out and annoying everyone saying see? My favorite team/Game/Sports character/Videogame character beats yours.The fanbase of ff series is already very divided between pre ff7 post ff7 and post FFX.

    doesnt matter, square has not released a numbered final fantasy game on a nintendo system (non portable) since 6 over 20 years ago. same as ryu, just because ryu is in this doesnt mean capcom will port SF5 to the WU, or, seemingly, the NX (whatever it is going to be).

    as a nintendo fan (not fanboy) this is kind of putting salt on the wound (barely, since i own every numbered game already on their respective systems/ps3 minus 11 and 14 because fuck paying to play them).
    "hey, here are two beloved and iconic characters of veeeeery popular franchises. oh, sorry, we dont have plans to put even a port of their games on your system". it has also been a common practice of these and other companies to take away nintendo exclusives and put them other systems, and not put other system's exclusives ON nintendo system. they took out revelations. did we get revelations 2? of fucking course not. and their reasoning for this is that "we want all fans to experience the games" bullshit. so by all fans you mean "only those who own a competing system" then. hard to believe these are the same companies that owe their place in the market to nintendo with the NES and snes.

    and now for humor: tidus is in smash! his final smash? his head pops out multiple times covering the screen ala saddam hussein in south park rally while doing his infamous laugh, stuns the opponents and weakens them enough so you can knock them out of the stage with an uncharged smash attack.
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    Doesn't matter if it's not on Nintendo.Cant they release a nes title on ps4? It's their game.

    Also:Good that Tidus is. There.At least someone other than cloud and sephiroth is there.God forbid someone other than those two get screen time since it's not the beloved sacred game that died for our sins, and yes I'm salty about the port of ff6 being on android and looking worse than the original.I have lost faith in enix and not sure if I will buy more games.All they want to churn out nowadays is animu for weeaboos and narutards who like dragon ball z and other stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKUSHO View Post
    minus 11 and 14 because fuck paying to play them).
    You and everyone with that attitude missed out on two great games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Revan View Post
    You and everyone with that attitude missed out on two great games.
    i used to own on 11 on pc with private servers. didnt like it at all.

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    To each their own. I played on public servers and made some good friends.

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