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Thread: People like FFXIII so much WHY GOD WHY? its the biggest betrayal ever to ff fans

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    I am 13 years old. My opinion is my opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion. If I didn't remember that, who knows what I would have done out of rage. FF13 is different from any other final fantasy, that I agree.

    However, I would like to say that for me the storyline was emotional because I could relate to the characters. With Fang, who wouldn't want to protect their loved ones? Like Lightning, who wouldn't blame themself if something happened to their loved ones? Didn't Cloud blame himself for Aerith's death? Lightning blamed herself for Serah becoming a crystal and possibly being never able to go to college, never do any jobs and never marry her love. Hope is a 14 year old but he lost his mother, technically he's allowed to mourn for her and cry. I lost my mother, father, aunt, uncle and 3 siblings when I was 7. I understand how Hope feels because I kept on crying and even tried suicide so much. FYI, my parents bought this when they were still alive. FFX's sphere grid is what FF13's leveling system is based on so theoretically speaking, the crystarium is linear. If you want to, listen to Zephyrsonic on YouTube about how much he enjoyed the game, even though some parts he felt were annoying like how fast the enemies spawned in Orphan's Cradle. Hope stops whining that much after his Eidolon battle on Pulse. He was the one who kept on making speeches like reasonable words.

    During Chapter 12, the cutscene after fighting some sacrifices, Hope says that Barthandelus is testing them. He's waiting for them to break and then it's focus time. Snow compliments "Wait for us to break and slip on the leash."
    Before the last battle, he says,"If we have the power to destroy Cocoon, then we have the power to save it." and when Snow found out their real focus from Dysley, he started brooding.

    Lightning is not an emo in the last chapter. She is more of an optimist and she is the one to make an inspirational speech in the cutscene mentioned before which provokes the fal'Cie Orphan and shows that she will do anything to save Cocoon and Serah. She was sort of an emo in the beginning with Serah taken by the fal'Cie and turned to crystal.

    I know that Tidus wasn't annoying.

    I just tend to mainly look at the storyline and people's emotions instead of a certain element that a series is known for. If one of your favorite games was criticized by someone you know, you would defend it right? That is simply what I'm doing.

    I'm glad though that you are at least interested in Lightning Returns. I am a bit stuck though because I just finished the fight with Caius and I am doing as much of the Sazh main quest but I'm on Day 8 and my stats aren't that good so I don't think I can get to the fight with Bhunivelze at this rate.

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    If you can beat Caius, then you should be able to beat Bhunivelze. He's tough - maybe even the toughest final boss in FF, but you don't need to be superhuman to beat him. My character was pretty hard, but I know I missed a lot of quests. There's an optional set of trials right before the final boss that aren't too tough, and you get given a supremely powerful weapon and shield that makes the fight a whole lot easier. If you really, really can't do it, then there's crystal that resets the game, resers all the quests and bosses to be beaten again, but keeps your stats (basically New Game+ lite). With your stats, you'll cruise back through the game, and put up all the stat increases again, making you super powered to beat Bhun.

    But it shouldn't come to that. By beating Caius, you've shown that you have the basic skills to beat the game. I'm not going to lie - it is surprisingly tough, but I'm sure you'll manage it. I don't consider myself an expert at this game by any means, but I made it through without needing to reset.

    And don't mind Nostalgia Gamer - he's never understood the concept of opinions. He thinks his opinions are facts and despite many people trying to explain to him how wrong and aggravating that is, none of us have succeeded yet. If you think you can convince him that just because he thinks something it doesn't make it true, then please be my guest. I wouldn't hold my breath though - I've never known anyone as stubborn as he is. He responded to basically every person who's ever come on this forum praising FF13 - he's like a sort of forum boss battle with infinite HP, but no ATK.

    Just ignore him if he keeps trolling (he originally gave the game 7/10 and when that didn't garner the appropriate outrage, he dropped it to 0/10 - the next day). That's the kind of person he is. If people don't like the game, then that's fine - but he insists he's right, and ignores all counter points to his arguments.

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    I was listening to Alice Nine Rainbows when I saw this message. I got 0 stars and a score of one when I beat Caius. I'm scared that I can't beat the Dead Dunes Quest in time. I'm on day 8 and have gotten at least til the 12th day but I'm mainly focusing on the main quest with Sazh and then go onto to Dead Dunes. I also want to get Day 14 however I only have 65 stars(at the most) from sidequests. Please Help. I was only able to beat a Reaver with Army of One and I want to know how to get the weapon they have but like the one the omega has. On the original FFXIII, I am close to the Proudclad battle, so I am ginding for CP and money. On FFXIII-2, I am on Academia 500 AF but I don't understand it at all.
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    I presume you're not playing them all simutaneously, unless you're some kind of Octopus. Anything's possible I guess, and hey I don't discriminate against sea based organisms...

    Anyway, you should have plenty of time (and The Wildlands and Dead Dunes are so full of enemies that you can just spam Chronostasis indefinately really). So time isn't an issue. You've beaten Caius and he's the toughest of the regular bosses (least HP I guess, but his attacks are just relentlessly brutal). Anyway, I'm going to assume you've beaten Noel and Snow. So that just leaves Parandus - the boss is originally called Grendel, but from Day 8 onwards he morphs into the tougher version called Parandus). He's actually quite tough due to his sheer stats, but the Dead Dunes is full of quests to buff yourself up, and if you spam Chronostasis, you'll easily have enough time to fully explore it.

    Seriously, don't worry about the time limit. I also fought Parandus on Day 8, and Sazh's mission is quick and easy, being just a short collection mission. The toughest fights you'll be encountering around this time are the various Eaters (Chocobo and Earth Eaters). There is one that invades the Chocobo farm in the Wildlands, and if you leave it until the later days, it gets absolutely crazy strong. If you haven't killed it yet, I recommend going there right now to get it over with before it becomes even stronger.

    As to the weapon... Its hard for me to give detailed technical advice, because its been nearly a year since I played this game. If you mean the Flesh Render (big glowing Behemoth sword with auto regen), I think you need to kill the Behemoth Last One (i.e kill lots of them until the glowing one shows up - the Wildlands being the place for that.) So long as you can find a way to kill Reavers, they give you lots of points to keep using Chronostasis, so time won't be an issue. Killing them is an issue though, yes? That's not an easy one, except to say that they are very tough enemies, so there's no need to panic if you're having trouble (I always had trouble against the Cyclopses). The same basic rules for fighting Behemoths in all 3 games apply - try to ambush them, and use defuffs to make sure they don't get a chance to stand up and regen. Easy to say, harder to do. Always remember that Debuffs may seem useless, but they really do help. If you aren't using them, then you need to start incorporating them.

    As for the final day... well, I got it and I didn't do all the quests, so you don't have to worry about needing 100% completion or anything. I missed a bunch of the board quests in each zone, failed a quest in Luxerion (some girl ran into the Warrens and the cultists killed her before I could get there) and I didn't kill any of the super bosses. But I did do a lot of quests. You get a huge amount of juice for the plant just by killing the bosses. Killing a boss is worth dozens of side quests. Can't really be more specific - just keep doing all the quests you find, unless they seem like too much of a hassle. The game won't punish you if you miss a few quests here and there.

    On FF 13-2, I assume you have the Hover Jump ability? You pretty much need it to complete that level. If you don't have it, its at the Casino. Get a bunch of fragments and the woman in the hut on the left will give you the Hover Jump (or whatever its called) as one of the rewards. I obviously can't explain the whole thing, but one thing I do remember is that the set of platforms leading to the goal, you have to go on the left hand side. The top right platform has some unique enemies that you only need to bother about if you want the Monster Professor fragment. Best to make sure you're fully prepared before finishing that level - Caius is unbelivably tough to beat.

    Sorry I can't be more help. Its a while since I played the games (planning to go through them all again over Christmas). As a final note, I should say that Lightning Returns is probably the hardest of the 3 games. Tough bosses, just the one character and the timer hanging over your head make it a demanding game. There's no shame if you're finding it tough. 13-2 is the easiest (but the final boss is really brutal). The age old wisdom applies - if you get into trouble, then grind for levels!

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    Hope kept on whining though, even till late in the game.Only difference, is by the end he finally grew some balls and stopped crying a little, but there was no character development in my opinion.He was awful.
    The others had a bit more variety, but hope in my opinion is one of the worse characters i have ever seen.People complain about cloud being emo because he cried, and edward cause he cried during the death of his loved one, but i would take edward a million times over hope.Edward was a sissy, which is fine, because we never had a sissy male character who was a wimp in the hero team i think.Villains, yes(Kefka) but heroes? no.

    Heck, locke's development of lost ones was better done than any of the love in FFXIII.we get a cutscene showing what happened, and regrets.Its more human.In FFXIII, hope spends most of the time jus crying about how his parents were killed.He kind of has the personality of an angsty teen rebelling against his parents, and not in a good way.

    Vanille is bland and forgettable, and it isn't until late in the game where we get much backstory, as is fang.At least snow has a personality at the start, but we don't see much of vanille aside from the happy go lucky personality of both fang and vanille.
    Snow is overly confident, and makes mistakes.He acts out of emotion and is irrational, like banging the crystal.
    Sazh tries to cover his emotions, but deep down he is worried about his son.He tries to kill vanille because she was involved in his son becoming a le'cie, and he was too cowardly and tries to kill himself and he couldn't.After that part, he is no longer developed.

    I can't think of anything positive to say about FFXIII, except maybe it looks pretty.Even the crystal thing you pointed out, is a hollow version of the FFX crystarium, offering zero options.It is a linear linear hallway of a crystal.Watch spoony's review:He is accurate about it.I wish there were more unique abilities that could differentiate characters.

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    How many yrs has this clown been whining about XIII?

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    I remember people said the EXACT SAME THING when FFXII came out and just now people are coming to their senses, realizing that it wasn't "that bad". I'm not saying FFXIII was as good as FFXII and i'm not saying it wasn't. Just that the general consensus is that "Everything after 7/8 or 10 sucks". Give it a few years and people'll come around to XIII. Mark my words.

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    It's already been more than a few years. It's been five. And people still hate FFXIII.

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    In Japan and other non American countries, Final Fantasy XIII sold over 1.7 million copies in 2009. In January 2013, 6.6 million copies worldwide. Admit it you are nothing but a Hater to Final Fantasy XIII. Nothing you say will make me change my opinion and remember some people actually love the game. Like Zephyrsonic, Aljhary Hassan, Splitplaythru, Shou of Alice Nine visual kei band and many more. Oh yeah, if you ask who Shou is, I suggest going onto youtube and looking up "Alice Nine Channel July 2012". One of the episodes talks about final fantasy.
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    Of course some people love the game, and some hate it. That's the thing about people having different preferences and opinions. Don't forget in order to have either opinion you first need to have played the game, so in those 6.6 million copies that were sold, many people would not have enjoyed the game at all, so sales stats are meaningless when it comes to judging how many people liked or did not like the game.

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    When XIII was first released, I got the CE and Guidebook... and regretted it. Watch Zero Punctuation's review of it (Here : [Hidden link. Register to see links.]). I had exactly the same gripes with it as Yahtzee. However, after XIII-3 came out, I decided to give it another try to see if my opinion of it changed (This method worked for myself with GTAV (but not for Saints Row IV))... and my opinion didn't change... will it did to a degree : I added XIII-2 and XIII-3 to my dislike/hate pile (only keep them for completionist sake for my FF Collection).

    To me, the XIII trilogy is one of the worst of the FF series so far (JUST MY OPINION). Of course that may change when Type - 0 and XV come out next year (or might not). Still.. to those that like/love it, continue on and don't let others sway you otherwise. To those who dislike/hate it, again... continue and don't let the opinions of others deter you. There is no such thing as a 100% universally accepted perfect game, as it will never exist due to each individual's own opinion.


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    Yep, its just opinions. But there are ways of expressing those opinions, and to have people instantly jump up and down on you telling 'No, you're completely wrong - its rubbish!' over and over and over, refusing to even entertain the notion of give and take in an argument, making huge generalizations and just flat out getting details wreng and refusing to accept it... it gets old.

    And can we please stop bringing up Zero Punctuation? He's funny yes, but the whole point of his site is to hate everything and point out the obvious flaws in games that other people are too afraid to do. He has freely admitted that he can't really say nice things about most games, because people don't like it when he does that - its not what they come to him for. He still plays the same media game as most other sites, just in a more acceptable way. He took a lot of heat for disliking The Last of Us for example, to the point where he spent weeks after trashing obvious targets like Ride to Hell Retribution to try and get back on his fans' good side (and even admitted that).

    Lastly, he like many other western reviewers simply hates JRPGs, and trashes even the good ones like Valkyria Chronicles etc. The only JRPG I can remember him liking at all was Dark Souls, and that was years after the fact when it had become popular in the west already. He's never been much for any of the FF games, and doesn't review most JRPGs at all. He only reviewed FF13 and its sequels, because they are big enough that he is expected to have an opinion on them, and his (primarily western) fans will enjoy watching him beat those games up.

    As has been stated many times, Final Fantasy is a series in name only. The games should all really be seperate titles, but they sell more if you slap the name Final Fantasy on the cover. But it also attracts the attention of non JRPG fans who insist on taking the opportunity afforded by a big name JRPG to remind everyone how much they hates JRPGs. And it encourages the usual nonsensical wars between series fans over whether its 'better' than the previous installments, when in actuality the games have such different systems and modern technology has turned them into different kinds of experiences, that its all but meaningless to do any such comparisons anymore.

    What I'm getting at is that the title Final Fantasy is like a target. Its a magnetic one at that - it attracts people's cash, but it also attracts their firepower. The only opinions I actually care about are those from series fans (hence my presence here). Opinions from people like Yahtzee, as amusing as they are, are pointless. He is a person who doesn't like this sort of thing anyway, has a fanbase who actively demand he trash these kinds of games, and basically is in no way equipped to tell any series fan anything about these games, as the only thing he'll reveal is his own predjudice and ignorance of them. The same as if I decided to go around offering opinions on Forza Motorsport or Call of Dity etc. I think they suck, but I hate those kinds of games anyway, so what the hell qualifies me to say anything about them?
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    I'll stop bringing up zero punctuation when this thread finally dies and stops being revived. His posts are reviews for games he has played etc. Would you demand that other similar shows not be brought up? Angry Joe Show for one? (Hey I agree with his review of The Last of Us... it's garbage). For the record, Yahtzee DID like JRPG's, but fell out of favor with them around FFVII (I met him a few years ago and actually asked him if he hates JRPG's and/or RPG's in general... How they have changed in one aspect, yet haven't in another amongst other things; pandering to one mindset etc etc etc is what he hates). Saying that opinions from people like Yahtzee 'are pointless'... sorry, but I call you out on that Vrykolas. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion whether we agree with it or not.

    No offense, but your post attacking people like Yahtzee smacks of a bigoted one minded approach of "If you don't like what I like, then you are wrong so fuck off and I'll make fun of you" thing.

    If Neg was still here, I'd recommend closing this thread as it's gotten way out of hand and just needs to die.

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