Doctor Who - A collection of all the soundtracks

**macdawson** · 07-25-2011, 01:37 PM

Has anyone seen the trailer for the second half of season 6 yet? The very last scene, showing the Doctor being shot in episode one followed by him asking "Haven't you figured that out yet?" made the craziest thought cross my mind...

Spoiler!

The Doctor that was shot was a Flesh duplicate or something like that. He used the same trick the Madam gloated using twice on him to trick them...and by extension Amy, Rory and River. Making the enemy (The Silence or whoever they are) believe they had finaly killed him...while the real Doctor plots their demise...
Too farfetched? What do you think?

**davros72** · 07-25-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by macdawson

Has anyone seen the trailer for the second half of season 6 yet? The very last scene, showing the Doctor being shot in episode one followed by him asking "Haven't you figured that out yet?" made the craziest thought cross my mind...

Spoiler!

The Doctor that was shot was a Flesh duplicate or something like that. He used the same trick the Madam gloated using twice on him to trick them...and by extension Amy, Rory and River. Making the enemy (The Silence or whoever they are) believe they had finaly killed him...while the real Doctor plots their demise...
Too farfetched? What do you think?

Spoiler!

I'm of the opinion that using a Flesh Doctor as the one shot by the astronaut is way too obvious. As well as a massive cheat. I don't think it'll be that simple, knowing the deviousness Moffat gets up to.

**Clovie** · 07-25-2011, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by macdawson

Has anyone seen the trailer for the second half of season 6 yet? The very last scene, showing the Doctor being shot in episode one followed by him asking "Haven't you figured that out yet?" made the craziest thought cross my mind...

Spoiler!

The Doctor that was shot was a Flesh duplicate or something like that. He used the same trick the Madam gloated using twice on him to trick them...and by extension Amy, Rory and River. Making the enemy (The Silence or whoever they are) believe they had finaly killed him...while the real Doctor plots their demise...
Too farfetched? What do you think?

Well, maybe but

Spoiler!

Compare the way the Doctor "dies" in the trailer and in the episode: In the episode he just falls; here he flies off a little. Also the bowtie is different. This proves that something different will happen

And if you got over to BBC America you'll find this (not spoiler, just really cool) [Hidden link. Register to see links.]

Love that new coat!

**Killgrave** · 07-26-2011, 11:38 AM

Nice catch there. However the explanation could be much more down to Earth: a continuity error in Eleven's wardrobe when they re-shot his death at the hands of the Impossible Astronaut. Time will, to coin a phrase, tell.

Macdawson's idea has merit. I think "The Rebel Flesh" two-parter gave clues to how the Doctor will escape his death.

To wit:

When Eleven encounters the flesh for the first time a point is made in the script that the flesh is duplicating his essence, his soul as it were.
The Doctor figures out he is going to die in the future.
He arranges it so Amy (or SimAmy) is paired with the FauxDoctor to see if she can tell the difference between the real and the duplicate. She can't and she is the one the Doctor trusts above all others. (Now is this because flesh should recognize flesh or because once the flesh has "matured" it is as real as the original? Again we will see.)
Throughout the two parter we saw how the flesh and the originals think and feel the same thoughts and emotions. (Figuring out the pass code, the emotional reaction to the son's birthday.)
The Doctor learns how to stabilize the flesh using the Tardis's time field.
It's been in established in classic Who that Time Lords have a limited number of regenerations, thirteen if memory serves. If this still holds then Eleven is running out of regenerations.

We've seen in the previews the Doctor's skeleton hand clutching a dying Sonic Screwdriver and in another preview saying he's going to die and his time is running out.

My silly wild assed guess: the real Doctor will die, killed by the Impossible Astronaut who is River Song as a child. Moffat and crew won't cheat, the Doctor is dead. The flesh version, Doctor 2.0 will go on. (He's the one who appears in Episode One in the restaurant after the real Doctor is murdered.) Since he's never regenerated he gets his thirteen lives.

Of course Moffat could come up with something unexpected and I sound like I'm stuffed topful of wild blueberry muffins.

**tangotreats** · 07-26-2011, 01:48 PM

Spoiler!

The Doctor almost seems to go out of his way to get killed - with witnesses, and without any shadow of a doubt - in the first episode of series 6. He rounds up all his friends, invites them to a specific time and place, and walks off to the Astronaut he knows will kill him. Clearly it was very important to him that people genuinely believe "The Doctor" is dead. It's tempting to say this Doctor is flesh, but wouldn't that be a little bit obvious? Moffat has made a lot of mistakes this past two series' but I really don't believe he'd hand you the answer on a plate. Concluding that the dead Doctor is Flesh is the first thing that springs to mind the moment you see that the Flesh exists. Moffat gives you a lot of weird stuff and then gives you the answer. He doesn't set up a spine-tingling finale, give you a glaringly obvious answer in episode five, and freewheel it through the next half a dozen episodes. Doctor dies in episode 1, reveal Doctor has a clone in episode 5. No, too simple. Flesh Doctor is a red herring. If he's not, and that's the explanation, Moffat will have missed the biggest boat in Who history.

**davros72** · 07-26-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Killgrave

My silly wild assed guess: the real Doctor will die, killed by the Impossible Astronaut who is River Song as a child. Moffat and crew won't cheat, the Doctor is dead. The flesh version, Doctor 2.0 will go on. (He's the one who appears in Episode One in the restaurant after the real Doctor is murdered.) Since he's never regenerated he gets his thirteen lives.

Of course Moffat could come up with something unexpected and I sound like I'm stuffed topful of wild blueberry muffins.

While I do think this is quite a bit less obvious than the "Flesh Doctor is the one who gets killed" theory everyone seems to enjoy feeling very clever about, I have a hard time believing Moffat would actually do that. Really, truly kill the Doctor. Dead and done. Forever. I'd have a very hard time accepting it myself, if this is indeed the case. I trust Moffat, but he's a sly one. I hope it's not true.

**Killgrave** · 07-26-2011, 03:35 PM

I hope that tangotreats is totally right and I am totally wrong. I want Team Moffat to come up with something completely brilliant that blindsides all of us. I don't want to have figured it out, rather have something unexpected where we say "how could we have missed that." Looking forward to Aug 27th and love Eleven's new coat. (Looks like he borrowed it from Capt Jack.)

Now here's a thought: have Capt Jack Harkness and Capt America meet in 1940's England. Adds a whole new meaning to the Whitman line "Oh Captain, my Captain."

Must stop mainlining expresso.

**tangotreats** · 07-26-2011, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by davros72

While I do think this is quite a bit less obvious than the "Flesh Doctor is the one who gets killed" theory everyone seems to enjoy feeling very clever about, I have a hard time believing Moffat would actually do that. Really, truly kill the Doctor. Dead and done. Forever. I'd have a very hard time accepting it myself, if this is indeed the case. I trust Moffat, but he's a sly one. I hope it's not true.

It would be almost as awkward as the Doctor palming Rose off with some carbon copy of himself while he goes off to live in another universe.

Killing the Doctor properly, really, honestly, properly, done, finished, would be rather colossal - even if they have built in the "hundreds of years into the future" thing as an insurance policy.

Don't forget that if this well and truly is the Doctor, and he well and truly dies at the hands of the Astronaut... then they have effectively said that Matt Smith will be the last Doctor.

If I'd written that episode and wanted to kill the Doctor, I'd have cast another actor and have him idly mention that he's a few dozen regenerations ahead. Given that the guy seems to get himself sufficiently injured to require regeneration every two or three years, let's just say I'm suspicious that Matt Smith's Doctor survives for two hundred years, goes back in time, phones up all his old mates, goes looking for an old, old enemy, and tops himself right in front of everybody...

**Amanda** · 07-26-2011, 04:13 PM

I dunno about all that, that is most of the fun.

But, there is the idea that Regenerational limits are an artificial one, put in place and enforced by the Time Lords somehow. The mention of the limit was almost arbitrarily done at first, just a way to explain the Master's predicament, and not having cast a replacement for the actor yet. And, in the Five Doctors, they offer The Master a complete new regeneration cycle. If they are no longer around to enforce it, perhaps he can regenerate as often as needed. Certainly in this new series he has mentioned a coupla times that he'll just go on living and regenerating forever..

**moontrekker** · 07-26-2011, 07:51 PM

I think the answer will suprise us all

as tango pointed out to me some time ago the show is at the height of popularity the BBC would be nuts to stop now, I think they will keep making it as long as its popular and there are good actors to play the Doctor , its a fun role so the sky is the limit.
The Doctor has earned unlimited regenerations and will probably be given this by some all powerfull force or being , the universe needs the Doctor and the TARDIS will go on forever.
Long Live Doctor Who

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Now lets talk about when we are going to get this series 6 music , Ive loved it

**Zoran** · 07-27-2011, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Clovie

And if you got over to BBC America you'll find this (not spoiler, just really cool) [Hidden link. Register to see links.]

Love that new coat!

Yeah that is a cool wallpaper...I downloaded about 200 DW wallpapers last month and currently using two interior tardis walls on my desktop and laptop.

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**JLMovienurd** · 07-27-2011, 10:20 AM

HOLY COW what a thread!! This is some great work guys! Thanks!

**recons** · 07-29-2011, 06:50 AM

Thanks Dalekdude and MadKalnod for the scores!

Good to see Zoran back as well. Hello!

(mostly absent) Recons

**Zoran** · 07-29-2011, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by recons

Thanks Dalekdude and MadKalnod for the scores!

Good to see Zoran back as well. Hello!

(mostly absent) Recons

I was never really away...I am here almost every day but thanks just the same.

**ReddiShadow** · 07-31-2011, 09:24 AM

I know a lot of people are still holding out hope for a CD release of Doctor Who Live (I'm one of them), but here's a little consolation prize: whilst surfing YouTube, I came across a theme remix which, although quite different, is still very close to the Live theme. It's probably the closest thing we'll ever get, so let's enjoy it while we can!

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**tipulsar85** · 08-06-2011, 12:38 AM

Huh, is there a reason why series five was take off the linked site? otherwise it could use a replacement.

**moontrekker** · 08-06-2011, 07:39 AM

heres a idea tango , the flesh Doctor is the easy answer so all of us true fans will reject it , and try to think of more complex things as stated above by some of us.
now the real answer will turn out to be the easy answer so we trick ourselves and he got us again.

so the Doctor gets another ganger replaces himself with the ganger Doctor , the Impossible Astronaut kills the ganger Doctor , River is redeamed and released from jail , the Doctor sneaks up behind them and says Gocha [remember the Gochas that he and Amy shared in season 5] and we move on to season 7 with him saying Havent you figured that out yet? like at the end of the second half of season 6 trailer, leaving Amy Rory and Melody back on earth safe while he travels on with his Sexy Thing , The TARDIS.
As Amy said to Rory , it will always be The Doctor and his TARDIS as it shows him dancing around the console as he did at the end of The Doctors Wife.

oh of course Im wrong but I can have a active imagination too

**comicbookguy90** · 08-06-2011, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by moontrekker

heres a idea tango , the flesh Doctor is the easy answer so all of us true fans will reject it , and try to think of more complex things as stated above by some of us.
now the real answer will turn out to be the easy answer so we trick ourselves and he got us again.

so the Doctor gets another ganger replaces himself with the ganger Doctor , the Impossible Astronaut kills the ganger Doctor , River is redeamed and released from jail , the Doctor sneaks up behind them and says Gocha [remember the Gochas that he and Amy shared in season 5] and we move on to season 7 with him saying Havent you figured that out yet? like at the end of the second half of season 6 trailer, leaving Amy Rory and Melody back on earth safe while he travels on with his Sexy Thing , The TARDIS.
As Amy said to Rory , it will always be The Doctor and his TARDIS as it shows him dancing around the console as he did at the end of The Doctors Wife.

oh of course Im wrong but I can have a active imagination too

That will probably most likely happen. It happened to me with who was River and then when they revealed that, I was like "I knew it!" So yeah, we're over thinking it but it'll surprise us I think nonetheless.

**Aurich** · 08-18-2011, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Clovie

Love that new coat!

I agree, that is a sweet coat!

I know there was some wrangling going on with the Doctor's Shetland Tweed.
I even heard BBC was going to sell a replica that cost more than an actual Shetland Tweed...
So it looks like they went completely away from the short tweed to a jacket that even [Hidden link. Register to see links.].

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Originally Posted by babydoll

But, there is the idea that Regenerational limits are an artificial one, put in place and enforced by the Time Lords somehow.

It would make sense that the Time Lords amed 12 as the artificial limit for the Masters sake and then made everyone forget through some wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff or just through typical Time Lord ineptitude. For being highly intelligent beings, Time Lords have done lots of silly stuff over the years.

**MadKalnod** · 08-19-2011, 02:22 PM

I always thought that the 12 regenerations limit was artificially imposed by Rassilon, as being an utter bastard who attained true immortality (as seen in The Five Doctors) he didn't want to share it with any potential rivals. With Rassilon locked away in the final moments of the Time War, there's nothing to stop the Doctor from regenerating an nigh-infinite number of times.

**moontrekker** · 08-19-2011, 06:25 PM

As long as the Universe needs the Doctor he will be around

**Clovie** · 08-19-2011, 07:01 PM

Just one week!!
Also: Here's an interview with Murray Gold from April 2011, don't know if you've seen it before: [Hidden link. Register to see links.]

**ReddiShadow** · 08-20-2011, 09:08 AM

I feel rather guilty for having to break this so close to the new series, dampening everyone's fun somewhat, but I feel this has not been adequately spread around yet, so I feel I must tell this rather shocking story.

You know I Am The Doctor? That awesome theme we've no doubt enjoyed so much since it's introduction last year? Well, I'm afraid to say it harbours a dark secret. When I tried telling people on YouTube about it, all I got was "YEH LOL" and other such dismissals. May be my fault for going to YouTube, as we all know YT comments are a source of great intellectual discussion, but nevertheless... here we go.

I Am The Doctor is a plagiarism so blatant Tyler Bates would call it shameless.

Now, hold on. Before you type your replies telling me how wrong I am, I want you to do one small thing for me. If you do, and you still believe I am wrong, you are more than welcome to blast me for the moron I am.

Here's what I want you to do:

1. Open the program you use to listen to music. Windows Media Player, iTunes, Winamp, whatever.
2. Obtain two mp3s. The first is "Words Win Wars" from the Series 5 OST, and the other is "Suicide Mission" from the Mass Effect 2 OST, available from Amazon MP3.
3. Put them both in a playlist, SM first and WWW second.
4. Play SM from 03:18. Take note of the melody the choir is performing.
5. At 03:46, hit the skip/next/fast forward/whatever button to skip to WWW.
6. Listen to the rendition of IATD at the beginning of the track.

Tell me I'm wrong.

**Clovie** · 08-20-2011, 09:17 AM

Reddi, it does sound similar, but plagiarism? That's harsh, and I'm a huge fan of both ME2 and Dr. Who. They're both great, but hugely different.
I say they're similar with some notes, but it isn't a carbon copy, is it? And also, I Am The Doctor has enough variations to write a symphony, while ME2 doesn't, and Suicide Mission is sort of a new version of the main theme.

You also gotta wonder, what's Clint Mansell going to do?

**ReddiShadow** · 08-20-2011, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Clovie

I say they're similar with some notes, but it isn't a carbon copy, is it?

Dude, they're in the EXACT SAME KEY. Try that game again with the actual track I Am The Doctor. It's even structured the same, starting quiet and slow then building with more speed, instrumentation and shouting choir.

Originally Posted by Clovie

You also gotta wonder, what's Clint Mansell going to do?

I'm hoping he doesn't decide to chuck out all of Wall's themes, that would suck. Hard.