THE BIG ORCHESTRAL ACTION MUSIC THREAD!

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This is Ravel's Bolero, condensed down into three minutes, with a different melody, a little bit of Williams pastiche thrown in at the beginning, and a Kanno trademark 25-second orchestral flourish to finish off. That qualifies as plagiarism.

I talk about that track and others that hint at the Bolero in my next analysis, finally finished, and this time made into a Word doc because I just ramble on and on and on and on and...

Kanno Orchestral Action Set No. 2:
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 06. The Second Advent - The class of god strike the beach
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 08. Final Shore - Ah, to meet again
Turn A Gundam - OST 3 - 09. Exit
Turn A Gundam - OST 2 - 12. Drum Head
Turn A Gundam - OST 2 - 13. Triad
Turn A Gundam - OST 3 - 18. Heavy Duty
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 19. Koujiku no nazoru mono
Turn A Gundam Movie - 03. Uirugemu Ririku
Turn A Gundam Movie - 18. X Top
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 1 - 02. Flying Dragon
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 1 - 03. Dance of Curse
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 3 - 03. Epistle
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 3 - 10. Revenge
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 04. Into GAEA*
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 18. Dance of Curse II
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 19. Black Escaflowne
Sousei no Aquarion - OST 1 - 02. Aquarius

*I talk about the "Sora" theme in some detail, but didn't include any clips. They can be found on the Escaflowne Movie OST and The Creation album in the Kanno thread.

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Fascinating stuff - nice to see some of the thefts you missed that I uncovered in the "Kanno superbitching flame-from-hell thread" have made it into print.

This is without a doubt, the most musically informed, level headed, sensible dissertation I have ever read on this subject. I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air it is to read this, after a lifetime of suffering "OH MAN IT SO KOOL!!!" and fighting against folk who want to bury you alive (for the heinous crime of snobbery) at the mere suggestion of some musical terminology.

What a wonderful thought that musicians can discuss music in musical terms, without being hounded away by arrogant (but simultaneously ignorant) hypocrites who claim to love music (and specifically this genre of music) but in reality have no idea whatsoever as to what it's about, how it's constructed, how it affects them emotionally or physically, or that such intricate talent is required in its construction.

Thank you once again.

[Edit: Fixed grammatical howlers caused by sleep deprivation.]

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Whilst I think of it, here's another Bolero HOMAGE, this time by Megumi Oohashi, from her score to Mobile Suit Gundam Igloo - complete with adorable mis-transliteration "Borero" on the track title.

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The rythym belongs to Ravel, but the piece belongs to Oohashi.

AND it fits in with the remit of this thread, so I don't get in trouble.

I would love to post some of my own music, except for the following:

a) I don't wish to derail your lovely thread any further with me blowing my own trumpet.

b) It doesn't really slot in with the terminology "action music" and since it's all performed by synthesiser at the moment, I'd be violating my own code of "no synth".

c) I'm pathelogically shy, unconfident in my own ability, and completely terrified.

d) There are people floating around in this thread who would cut me to shreds and remind me just how poor and amateurish I actually am.

Thank you

[arthierr]

I talk about that track and others that hint at the Bolero in my next analysis, finally finished, and this time made into a Word doc because I just ramble on and on and on and on and...

Kanno Orchestral Action Set No. 2:
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 06. The Second Advent - The class of god strike the beach
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 08. Final Shore - Ah, to meet again
Turn A Gundam - OST 3 - 09. Exit
Turn A Gundam - OST 2 - 12. Drum Head
Turn A Gundam - OST 2 - 13. Triad
Turn A Gundam - OST 3 - 18. Heavy Duty
Turn A Gundam - OST 1 - 19. Koujiku no nazoru mono
Turn A Gundam Movie - 03. Uirugemu Ririku
Turn A Gundam Movie - 18. X Top
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 1 - 02. Flying Dragon
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 1 - 03. Dance of Curse
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 3 - 03. Epistle
Vision of Escaflowne - OST 3 - 10. Revenge
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 04. Into GAEA*
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 18. Dance of Curse II
Vision of Escaflowne Movie - 19. Black Escaflowne
Sousei no Aquarion - OST 1 - 02. Aquarius

*I talk about the "Sora" theme in some detail, but didn't include any clips. They can be found on the Escaflowne Movie OST and The Creation album in the Kanno thread.

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Even better than the first part.

I'm really, really impressed. This is not something you see often in this forum or in ANY forum. You seem to be quite interested and addicted to her orchestral music.

Thank you. As usual comments later (takes some time to digest all that!)

[arthierr]

Whilst I think of it, here's another Bolero HOMAGE, this time by Megumi Oohashi, from her score to Mobile Suit Gundam Igloo - complete with adorable mis-transliteration "Borero" on the track title.

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The rythym belongs to Ravel, but the piece belongs to Oohashi.

Oh crap! I remembered there's another I've heard but didn't remember it was this one. Thanks.

And homage is written with 2 "m" in french, that's why I mispelled it.

[streichorchester]

Thanks for the comments. The great thing about Kanno's orchestral music is it's not only a clinic in 20th century orchestration, but it's sort of showing how one might go about lifting ideas from other composers, putting them in new settings, and getting away with it.

Also, does it make sense when I refer to the NHK orchestral sound for Japanese historical dramas? To me it's a very identifiable sound that certainly comes through in Nobunaga's Ambition and Turn A Gundam. Not so much the other scores though.

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Oh crap! I remembered there's another I've heard but didn't remember it was this one. Thanks.

And homage is written with 2 "m" in french, that's why I mispelled it.

My capitalisation of "homage" wasn't intended to point out your misspelling (which I didn't comment on, as I remembered that it was spelt differently in French, and since it is a word derived from French in the first place, I can hardly complain) - it was meant to emphassise that I thought this piece was a homage, and not a plagiarism.

[arthierr]

3rd and last part of the requested HARD BEAT AND ORCHESTRA compilation (and this week's update). This one's a big pack because I've put together all remaining cues I've found. As usual, all of them are very upbeat and energetic. Enjoy!


Fukuda Yasufumi - Murder Princess - Aseri, Zetsubou, Zasetsu, Subete Matomete Tataki Kiru!.mp3

Iwasaki Taku - 009-1 Original Soundtrack - The Conflicted World.mp3

Iwasaki Taku - 009-1 Original Soundtrack - Theme of 009-1 (Closing Mix).mp3

John Debney - Adventures Of Sharkboy And Lava Girl In 3D - Train Of Thought.mp3

John Powell - Agent Cody Banks - Track20.mp3

Kotaro Nakagawa - Gogo Sentai Bokenger Precious - rya kudatsu sha VS boukensha.mp3

Kotaro Nakagawa - Hayate no Gotoku! Original Sound Track 1 - Fungeki.mp3

Kotaro Nakagawa - Hayate no Gotoku! Original Sound Track 1 - Toujou.mp3

Kotaro Nakagawa - Hayate no Gotoku! Original Soundtrack 2 - Kakan.mp3

Mark Mancina - Speed 2 Cruise Control - Track 10.mp3

Megumi Ohashi - MS IGLOO Original Soundtrack - Taningu Pointo.mp3

Michael Giacchino - Space Mountain - Mission 2.mp3

Paul Oakenfold, Tobias Enhus - Spider-Man 3 - Scorpion.mp3

Peter Kam Pau-Tat - Silver Hawk - Human Hockey.mp3

Sakai Ryou - Soukou no Strain Original Soundtrack - Strain Battle.mp3

Sato Naoki - Eureka seveN OST 1 - Taidou kara no Chouyaku.mp3

Tanaka Kouhei - Orphen - Bam And Gravel In Nature And In The Fierce.mp3

Tanaka Kouhei - Top wo Nerae 2! Original Soundtrack - Vansetto.mp3

Tatsumi Yano - City Hunter - Service Secret OST - Hunter In The City.mp3

Toshihiko Sahashi - Cyber Formula Saga OST vol.3 - Future GPX.mp3

Toshihiko Sahashi - Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid - Shouri.mp3

Toshihiko Sahashi - Ultraman Mebius Ost 2 - Bond Of Friendship.mp3

V.A. - Kamen Rider Blade - The Last Card - Garren, Ryuurei Ni.mp3

Vanessa Mae - Fantastic Violin - Storm.mp3


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Tatsumi Yano - City Hunter - Service Secret OST - Hunter In The City.mp3 is less orchestral but it's a marvellous piece and everybody should listen to it.

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Thank you arthierr. You are the best!

[arthierr]

Do you like it ? Wich ones do you prefer ?

Oh, I forgot one! It's one of the best, a true marvel :

Iwasaki Taku - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Omae no x x x de Ten wo Tsuke!!.mp3
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Enjoy!

[arthierr]

Just for the fun, compare the string ostinato from the previous cue Iwasaki Taku - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Omae no x x x de Ten wo Tsuke!!.mp3 with this one :

Moross - The Big Country - Main Title
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Interesting, isn't it ?

[streichorchester]

Good ear, arthierr. It would have taken me 100 years to make the connection.

Here's something I heard last night in Giant Robo that gave me a lol:

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The rest of the track steals bits from Sneakers as well, but that piano part was just too awful not to point out. This is what happens when plagiarism goes wrong.

[arthierr]

WOW! Well, in a sense it's not quite a surprise given the fact Amano heavily borrowed from others in this score. Anyway it's only justice that an occasional plagiarist (Horner) is himself plagiarized.

Ok, to play a bit to the "obvious plagiarism" game, here's my move :

David Arnold - Independence Day - The Darkest Day.mp3 (1996)
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Richard Jacques - Headhunter OST - Final Conflict.mp3 (2001)
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Funny, isn't it ?

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I see your Headhunter and raise you Macross Frontier:

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[arthierr]

Touché! I've already heard this before (but in fact her borrowings are so numerous that you easily forget them).

But Richard Jacques has at least the decency to admit that he has been influenced by David Arnold's music. See this interview where he quote Arnold as one of his main influences.

Go! Game! Music! interview with Richard Jacques
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If I happen to find some other BIG HORRIBLE plagiarisms, I'll post them, just for the fun.

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Okay then. Here's something that fits the nature of the thread:

A collection of composers trying to compete with Williams's amazing battle music from Hook.

[Hidden link. Register to see links.] - Young Indiana Jones by Joel McNeely and Laurence Rosenthal (I'm betting it was McNeely who did this track)

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Sorry guys, but perfection can not be attained by just anyone:
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Wow, Hook with one note difference in the melody, and played by a crappy orchestra! Fantastic stuff! McNeely without a doubt -- Rosenthal doesn't go in for that kind of flagrant thievery...

As for the Jones, it's not quite as bad... It's bad, but rather than stealing the whole car (as McNeely did) he just stole the bodywork, interior, and wheels, leaving behind the engine standing precariously on a couple of bricks at the roadside...

[arthierr]

Ha ha ha. The Mcneely one is quite funny. But knowing his connections with Williams, maybe it's a kind of (unsubtle) homage to the master. 3:05 comes straight from "Belly of the steel beast" from Indy 3.

Concerning Jones I suspect he was just strongly asked to stick to the temp track.

I have a good one to upload this night...

[arthierr]

Here's another good one :

Hayato Matsuo, Toshiyuki Watanabe - Shenmue Orchestra Version - Flag of the lions
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Jerry Goldsmith - First Knight (Complete) - Night Battle
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The plagiarized part is very obvious when it comes.

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Can't talk about First Knight and plagiarism without mentioning this:

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There are other Vaughan Williams works where he uses this motif, like Flos Campi, but the 6th symphony uses it as its main idea.

And the Klingon theme from Star Trek, as we all know, comes from the 4th.

Goldsmith = Vaughan Williams fan.

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I like the pirate like theme going on here

Adding in environmental sounds is a great touch here! Sorta reminds me of a song from Two Thrones.


What do you people think?

[arthierr]

Very good , epic, strongly rhythmic cue. Nice find, thank you. Just to solve the mystery, where does it comes from ?

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Yugioh! Online Duel Evolution (PC)

[arthierr]

For all orchestral fans here, I wanted to point out that I've just uploaded a great new score in the download links section, :

ZERA: IMPERAN INTRIGUE OST
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If you like most of the music posted here, you'll adore this one.

More to come!

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good upload.