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    The Biggest Flaw of X-2 (SPOILERS)

    I realize there's a lot of people who hate this game but I quite like it.

    However there is one thing that has always and will always bug me.

    The Good and Perfect Ending suck balls.

    Firs toff, let's compare.
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    Now for anyone who has tried to get or gotten 100% Completion in one playthrough you know it's not the easiest and most enjoyable thing to do. You have to do the most random tedious crap imaginable. I can't even begin to count how many hours I spent trying to get my Chocobos up to the best level and then sending htem all out to find that secret dungeon in the Calm Lands.

    And you could at least fight then. Other things like the CommSpheres just demanded you watch some stupid mook guard stand around....

    And you do all this...for the two POS endings I showed you.

    The only reason I even attempt to get a lot of the story completed is because you're actually given a choice not to see Tidus again at which point you get the nice Normal Ending.
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    Ah, finally - someone else who prefers the normal ending! The good ending just seemed so... unbelievable to me. And that's saying a lot considering all the crap that went on during the game. Tidus should have stayed dead, or faded, or whatever the hell happened to him.

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    I agree; there's beauty in FFX's bittersweet ending that should not have been tampered with in its sequel. That being said, they did anything but add to the story and instead simply ruined what was great about X's powerful ending. In effect, they stripped its meaning away entirely. I haven't played the game yet, but I know how the endings work out (at least the "good" ending) and I have to say, all of the emotion and feeling behind FFX is gone after X-2 simply brings Tidus right back.

    Imagine this; you're watching Titanic. Jack dies at the end. A sequel comes along, and Jack is resurrected, and he and Rose live happily ever after in an alternate universe. Okay, that would kinda ruin the entire meaning behind the first film, wouldn't it? Same applies here. . . . Just because an ending is sad doesn't mean you have to conjure a sequel to "take the pain of it away", like I've seen some people mention on various sites. All it does is turn it into another cliche'd "happily ever after" tale, when there's nothing wrong with a little sad here and there in fiction.

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    ...Umm the whole reason I wanted to play this game was cause I hated X's ending so I enjoyed the "good" ending the perfect ending I was "meh" on ah well each his own.

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    Miss Yuna is Final Fantasy X-2 Yuna.
    Like the game in which she appears, Miss Yuna is not meant to be taken seriously. She's lighthearted, makes a lot of incredibly stupid jokes, and is rife with canonically implied lesbianism. She also lives in an airship with a perky blond, a hot silver-haired swordswoman, two douchebags, a ten-year-old leper, a skank, the skank's two goons(for a total of four douchebags), a dark-skinned little girl who sounds like Susie from Rugrats, and a giant bird. Why she never sees giant bird poo everywhere, Miss Yuna will never know.
    Oh yeah, and there's this Australian guy who sells Miss Yuna magical beverages, which she turns around and sells for twice the cash to an Arabic Star Wars reject.

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    I heard there was some disc in the Japanese version of the game (came with it) and it is like a 30 minute video of yuna, and rikku doing something or other. i can't remember. anybody have that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Dolce View Post
    Miss Yuna is Final Fantasy X-2 Yuna.
    Like the game in which she appears, Miss Yuna is not meant to be taken seriously. She's lighthearted, makes a lot of incredibly stupid jokes, and is rife with canonically implied lesbianism. She also lives in an airship with a perky blond, a hot silver-haired swordswoman, two douchebags, a ten-year-old leper, a skank, the skank's two goons(for a total of four douchebags), a dark-skinned little girl who sounds like Susie from Rugrats, and a giant bird. Why she never sees giant bird poo everywhere, Miss Yuna will never know.
    Oh yeah, and there's this Australian guy who sells Miss Yuna magical beverages, which she turns around and sells for twice the cash to an Arabic Star Wars reject.
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    Who is the 10 year old leper?

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    Eh? You referring to me or Captain whatever?

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    Either, whoever can answer the question. I was referring to what Captain said.

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    Oh. Probably means Shinra.
    He's the only person who could possily be ten.

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    Oh right. Forgot about him.

    And, he forgot Clasko.

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    Yeah, other ending were trash.
    It's like FF9, I think it should have ended sooner than it did.
    Good for them and their 'twist' at the end, there shouldn't have been a twist.


    My other complaint Yuna's personality changing so suddenly. She just wasn't 'Yuna'.

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    I thought IX's ending was perfect myself.

    And, he forgot Clasko.
    "She also lives in an airship with a perky blond, a hot silver-haired swordswoman, two douchebags, a ten-year-old leper, a skank, the skank's two goons(for a total of four douchebags), a dark-skinned little girl who sounds like Susie from Rugrats, and a giant bird"

    and the guy who regularly has sex with the giant bird.

    Now the idiocy is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Anti-Existence View Post
    I thought IX's ending was perfect myself.
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    To me, X-2 appears to be comparable to what Crisis Core is to FFVII; sort of a spinoff. I don't consider it a full-fledged sequel, simply because it seems to lack the depth and complexity that FFX offered. I really can't talk because I've yet to play it (although I've seen plenty of videos now) but that's just my opinion as of now.

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    I love the fact that the game deals with the fallout of the faith vanishing and Yevon exposed. It had the potential to be such an epic of a sequal with the factions throughout the game gearing for war. It would have been better if it was more serious, and maybe one major male playable character (Nooj, perhaps I kind of like him). Then the climax perhaps a big threeway war/ fight between the factions. I do like the "What do we do now" feel of the world, no sin, but we have to deal with our problems now without blaming some huge entity.. That's what I think.

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    BalambStudent... you've been here since 2005 I would have expected better.

    Ah, scratch that, it hasn't been a year. But anyway I'll say that I think the point of the "Perfect Ending" wasn't all about bringing Tidus back. The idea was more to tie up a loose-end plot point that's revealed in their dialogue.

    It was kind of cool, being in that world with no SIN considering everything revolved around Sin and Yevon previously. Kind of like, imagine FF7's world with no Meteor threat...

    Though remember, when Seymour was defeated and sent, he did say "Spira will continue to suffer" even without Sin, and this shows that he was kind of right, considering the events of this game.

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    For some reason, I don't really mind the good or perfect endings. Call me a sucker for happy endings, especially with that sentimental piano music playing while Yuna stands in the same spot as Tidus did at the beginning of X. I realize that the game may not have warranted Tidus's return, and I suppose this is a debate that can be expanded to many such stories. If it was a flaw, then I think the flaw was making the player work really hard to see those endings; maybe they should have just chosen to include the extended ending or not.

    I think, and I've said this before, that the biggest flaw of the game was making Vegnagun and Shuyin the main antagonists. On the one hand, I don't really get what they're doing here. I mean, come on, if the dresspheres caused so many problems, then why not switch back to the sphere grid? Well, I haven't played the game in a few years, so I'm a bit rusty on the plot.

    I think the main antagonists should have been the Youth League, New Yevon, and Machine Faction and the civilians who back them up. I would have liked the Spirans, after a culminating catastrophic war, to realize that they are the ones responsible for Spira's suffering. However, by putting the blame on some huge skeletal machine just dehumanizes the source of misery, which is, after all, a human source.

    But the endings themselves, which are of course personal to Yuna (and the viewers) didn't really bother me. It's sort of like choosing between two vastly different alternate endings of a movie (the endings of True Romance come to mind). In the end, you get to decide which one to go with, even if you don't agree with the director's decision for the final cut; although the endings may not have been incentive enough for what the player had to do to achieve them.
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    Fan service was the biggest flaw of FF X-2.

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    I don't know what flaw is the biggest, but I'll say two: The music and that the map is already all at your disposal (Which is logic, assuming you beat X first; but ruins all the exploration fun for me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roywood View Post
    I don't know what flaw is the biggest, but I'll say two: The music and that the map is already all at your disposal (Which is logic, assuming you beat X first; but ruins all the exploration fun for me).
    Add Yuna's newfound 'bad girl' persona that doesn't fit her even remotely and I agree with you 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniki View Post
    Fan service was the biggest flaw of FF X-2.
    Quote Originally Posted by Roywood View Post
    I don't know what flaw is the biggest, but I'll say two: The music and that the map is already all at your disposal (Which is logic, assuming you beat X first; but ruins all the exploration fun for me).
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    Add Yuna's newfound 'bad girl' persona that doesn't fit her even remotely and I agree with you 100%.
    All true. Also the fact it's a sequel to a (imo that is) a poor FF game as well.


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    I think the main antagonists should have been the Youth League, New Yevon, and Machine Faction and the civilians who back them up. I would have liked the Spirans, after a culminating catastrophic war, to realize that they are the ones responsible for Spira's suffering. However, by putting the blame on some huge skeletal machine just dehumanizes the source of misery, which is, after all, a human source.
    Oooh. That could've been more interesting.

    Same with a change in Yuna's personality and no Leblanc. She and her fags felt as out of place as Vegnagun and Shuyin.

    Yuna's personality needed to keep it real. Her badassness is transparent and fake. I believe that FFX-2 takes Yuna's personality change to an illogical place.

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    The more I try to play through this game, the more it just seems to ruin the whole feel of the world FFX immersed me in, as if the ending doesn't already (which, I already know what happens anyway, so it's not gonna be any surprise assuming I get the 'good' ending). It feels more like a sort of parody than a true sequel. Almost like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2; WTF were they thinking?! That's exactly what comes to mind with FFX-2.

    One good thing is the battle system; I'm really enjoying it. I wish they'd reuse it, in fact, because I agree with everyone who says it's one of the best in the game. That, along with Rikku's rather fetching new attire, are what keep me playing.

    edit: Oh, and as I browse to post #16 again, I have to say that it does NOT feel like what Crisis Core is to FFVII; in this game I actually do feel like I'm still playing in the same world as the predecessor. Crisis Core is like a whole different universe with its dramatically different graphics. But X-2 does not feel like a spinoff either, just a freakin' parody of something that should've been left alone.

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