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benuit
11-16-2011, 05:54 AM
Unfortunately, there never published a real score. Conclusion - i made an own.
Ripped from the european dvd, clean as a whistle, no fx.
Most tracks are are not the same you can hear in the movie.
Most of the title names are the same, but timings, arrangements and edits are different.
example:

Prelude & Main Title March: 5:29 (album); 4:49 (score)
The Planet Krypton: 6:40 (album); 1:30 (score) ...

composed by John Williams
38 tracks + 6 alternate cues
114 min

01 - Prelude & Main Title March 4:49
02 - The Planet Krypton 1:30
03 - The Tribunal 2:20
04 - Banishment 1:22
05 - Unheard Warnings 1:36
06 - Saying Goodbye 2:46
07 - Star Ship Escapes & Destruction Of Krypton 1:00
08 - The Trip To Earth 2:29
09 - Finding Kal-El 0:28
10 - Super Jack 0:25
11 - Growing Up 1:25
12 - Death Of Jonathan Kent 3:13
13 - Secrets 1:28
14 - Leaving Home 3:23
15 - The Fortress Of Solitude 9:18
16 - Streets Of Metropolis 0:42
17 - Introducing Otis 1:04
18 - Lex Luthor 0:58
19 - The Big Rescue 4:46
20 - Super Crime Fighter 2:51
21 - Saving Kitty 0:48
22 - Rough Flight 0:42
23 - The Fortress of Solitude Reprise 2:07
24 - The Terrace 1:24
25 - The Flying Sequence 7:25
26 - Louis & Clark 0:44
27 - Crime Of The Century vs. Otis 1:33
28 - Crime Of The Century 1:22
29 - Sonic Greetings 1:38
30 - Trajectory Malfunction 0:55
31 - Kryptonite 1:58
32 - Man Of Her Dreams & Chasing Rockets 3:14
33 - Superfeats 0:53
34 - Saving Jimmy & Breaking Walls 0:46
35 - Pushing Boulders & Finding Lois 4:49
36 - Turning Back The World 1:58
37 - Perfect Timing & The Prison Yard 1:42
38 - Finale & End Credits 7:58
39 - Theme From Superman (Album) 4:29
40 - Love Theme From Superman (Album) 5:08
41 - The March of the Villains (Album) 3:39
42 - Luthor's Luau (Source) 2:48
43 - Main Title March (Alternative) 4:37
44 - Superman March (Alternative) 3:49


Enjoy it, any suggestions welcome ...

Please note: This is an edit of a 31-year-old analog recording. The quality is not comparable with a digital.
This is the best possible quality, publications of "rhino" and "fsm" have a similar sound.
Would you edit the sound even more, you would distort the whole music.

ymenard
11-16-2011, 06:12 AM
What's the difference between that and the Blue Box?

benuit
11-16-2011, 07:05 AM
The blue box mixed album cues from the original album and the rhino disc with some unreleased stuff.
They call it album or soundtrack. And that's what it is. Not the score but a compilation, i think concert version is the best description.
Most tracks are are not the same you can hear in the movie. Most of the title names are the same, but timings, arrangements and edits are different.
example:

Prelude & Main Title March: 5:29 (album); 4:49 (score)
The Planet Krypton: 6:40 (album); 1:30 (score) ...

For better understanding, i'l add the timings.

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 07:21 AM
i'm more than happy to hear this, thank you kind sir :D

sinty
11-16-2011, 08:27 AM
Is the password Kryptonite? Anyone else having problems extracting the files, it wont let me extract anything, all errors.

bishtyboshty
11-16-2011, 08:34 AM
Is the password Kryptonite? Anyone else having problems extracting the files, it wont let me extract anything, all errors.

The password for benuit's files is always.....

benuit

sinty
11-16-2011, 08:38 AM
Has anyone tried to put these files on an mp3 player? They freeze up and dont play on any of my media players.

benuit
11-16-2011, 08:56 AM
Has anyone tried to put these files on an mp3 player? They freeze up and dont play on any of my media players.

Works on all my flac players and wmp with flac plugin ...

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 08:58 AM
jeepers creepers, the connection just bugged down on me after getting halfway, .... i guess a mirror with two separated links (i.e. part 1 & 2 wouldn't hurt and would be great to make sure slow connections would be able to catch up without having to worry about disconnections etc, that is of course if it's okay with Benuit and someone else would be able to help for that matter) sorry if it sounds being so demanding.... just that my connection is being an a## on me recently...

sinty
11-16-2011, 09:22 AM
Did you try it on mp3 players that support flac? My Sansa Fuze and my Cowan J3 cannot play the files, my entire library is composed of flac so i am not really sure what the issue is there. It works fine in foobar, does not work on any of my portables. I just reconverted the entire album with Bonk from flac to flac again to clear any mishaps in the original conversion.

It still freezes, I have a few daps that support flac and none of them work, only my computer seems to play them without a problem.

Arial
11-16-2011, 09:44 AM
Ripped from the european dvd, clean as a whistle...

Is it a PAL Zone 2 DVD ? I'm asking cause in that case you surely had to correct the speed (x4)... NTSC zone 1 DVD would be the right source to make it. Always good to avoid speed correction calculation process.

bishtyboshty
11-16-2011, 10:02 AM
It works on my Audacity.

sinty
11-16-2011, 10:14 AM
None of these files will work with any flac portable media player. I am not sure why. If you downgrade them to mp3 320kbps they work fine, any reconversion to any lower compression flac will result in your dap freezing. This has happened a few times and I am not sure why, usually reconverting to the same codec works as there was usually something wrong in the original. So converting them from flac to flac again with something like Super or Bonk encoder should work. In this case, it does not. Have no clue why, just confirmed it with some other people who own Flac supported portable daps, none of them could get it working, freezes instantly after choosing any track in the album, no album art was shown even after resaving it with mp3tag

lots of problems with these files on portable daps, but the desktop apps like Foobar work just fine.

Faleel
11-16-2011, 10:27 AM
The blue box mixed album cues from the original album and the rhino disc with some unreleased stuff.
They call it album or soundtrack. And that's what it is. Not the score but a compilation, i think concert version is the best description.
Most tracks are are not the same you can hear in the movie. Most of the title names are the same, but timings, arrangements and edits are different.
example:

Prelude & Main Title March: 5:29 (album); 4:49 (score)
The Planet Krypton: 6:40 (album); 1:30 (score) ...

For better understanding, i'l add the timings.

Good sir, the difference you are noticing, is because the music was edited by the filmmakers in post, to fit the scene, it was NOT composed that way.

benuit
11-16-2011, 10:36 AM
Good sir, the difference you are noticing, is because the music was edited by the filmmakers in post, to fit the scene, it was NOT composed that way.

Correct, but that's not the point. My intension is to present the score as heard in the movie, not the recording sessions.

add some new mirrors for flac and one for mp3 ...

dspani
11-16-2011, 10:53 AM
Many Thanks!!!

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 11:02 AM
keeping my fingers crossed right now that it be finished this time around, lol...

btw, here's a simple cover i made here ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

benuit
11-16-2011, 11:38 AM
@ IamBugz: Thank you ...

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 11:55 AM
finally it's done. lol...

no, actually it's you i have to thank. (i'll be heading for bed now so i'll probably listen to it tomorrow and enjoy another Williams classic)

Thanks a lot! :D

sinty
11-16-2011, 12:10 PM
The only way to get it to work on media players is to convert it to something other than Flac. Converting to mp3/wav whatever you want except flac works without a problem. Thing is...its no longer lossless

Faleel
11-16-2011, 12:15 PM
Converting to Wav...works without a problem. Thing is...its no longer lossless

I thought WAV was lossless..... just withought the advanced compression of FLAC....

sinty
11-16-2011, 12:26 PM
Unless you use Audiophile gear you wont likely hear much of a difference between Mp3 320kbps, Wav and Flac with low compression. Unfortunately, 320kb and Wav sound like crap through my gear. I've had this issue before with bad flac files but once converted back to flac again with another converter they always work. This time the all the files retain their errors and don't play and freezes up my Cowan J3 mp3 player.

I have no idea what to do, I am very sad that I cant get lossless working right. Works fine on my PC, doesn't work on any portable media players.

benuit
11-16-2011, 12:34 PM
FLAC Plugin for windows media player: link ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
link ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

sinty
11-16-2011, 12:36 PM
In the nicest way possible, the entire rip is corrupted. You can't use them on any portable media players that support flac, something is wrong with the files. Its very sad because this is the best rip I've seen for Superman. Something I wanted for a long time.

Mike Flaherty
11-16-2011, 12:50 PM
Won't extract. All errors. Just used up almost 2gb of my monthly usage for nothing.

Arial
11-16-2011, 12:52 PM
Is it a PAL Zone 2 DVD ? I'm asking cause in that case you surely had to correct the speed (x4)... NTSC zone 1 DVD would be the right source to make it...

... So ?...

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 12:56 PM
i didnt know that a FLAC could be played on a portable electronic/audio gear (as i have not even tried it for lossless eats too much space)...the loss less versions i have i played it only on pc while for my portable gadget its either in itunes/or 320mp3 is fine with me. I have converted it to lossy and works fine, played via Foobar, even Media Monkey works fine. i think corrupted is not the right term then. it may just have to do with some other things concerning codecs & compatibility with your music gadget

benuit
11-16-2011, 01:00 PM
Sorry, cant find any problems. Checked original files, checked edited files, checked final files, no error. Made all of this with professional programs. No explanation from my side for your problems.


Is it a PAL Zone 2 DVD ? I'm asking cause in that case you surely had to correct the speed (x4)... NTSC zone 1 DVD would be the right source to make it. Always good to avoid speed correction calculation process.

It is Zone 2 DVD and the speed is correct.

sinty
11-16-2011, 01:10 PM
You tested it on a portable media player? Which player did you use that it actually worked on. Computer codecs are portable media codecs are not the same, flac ripped into 96khz/24bit will not encode and convert ( downgrade ) into lower compression flac. What were the original settings used to rip the audio, whatever they are, they are not compatible with receivers, home theater music players or any portable media devices.

They seem to only be compatible with computers.

benuit
11-16-2011, 01:30 PM
No, not on portable media players. I checked the original ripped flac audio files and what can i say, no error.
Tomorrow I'm going to watch all the files again. Then perhaps I'll find en error.

Arial
11-16-2011, 01:34 PM
It is Zone 2 DVD and the speed is correct.

Thanks. Well, time to wait an answer I checked for myself. There's an obvious problem of pitch (if not speed) to me. I not big into that score, but it's enough to compare to something as clean as Ottman's version. Maybe I have a wrong feeling ?

I'm not willing to minimize your effort or share, but you said "any suggestions welcome". If it's zone 2 "as is" for instance, the speed can't be correct if you haven't touched it, but it seems - so short is your answer - that you know what you're doing...

Edit: well, maybe Ottman's score didn't use the same tonality after all, I'm surely mistaking. Sorry then.

dekamaster2
11-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Thanks a lot!

benuit
11-16-2011, 02:24 PM
Thanks. Well, time to wait an answer I checked for myself. There's an obvious problem of pitch (if not speed) to me. I not big into that score, but it's enough to compare to something as clean as Ottman's version. Maybe I have a wrong feeling ?

I understand what you mean. Ottmans version sounds cleaner and a little bit darker than the original. More modern in timing and digital recording quality (2006). The original Superman tapes are not very good
analog recordings. Made in London in 1978. Dont think is a matter of speed. Is more analog vs. digital.

Arial
11-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Yeah, I've been well awared of that analog-digital difference while comparing (not mentionning the narrow stereo here). I think my feeling is more related to the first point you just mentionned: Ottman's version is indeed darker.

Mike Flaherty
11-16-2011, 02:48 PM
Okay. Got it to extract.

jacksparrow900
11-16-2011, 04:14 PM
can you upload this to megaupload rapidshare doesn't work for me

sinty
11-16-2011, 04:18 PM
I found the problem, you ripped the audio in 5.1 or 7.1 off the dvd, not in 2 channel stereo. No portable player on earth supports this and no converter software will remove the extra channels to downgrade it to standard 2 channel stereo. You are stuck with using it on a computer as a flac file which works just fine, or downgrading it to 320kbps mp3s :[

Arial
11-16-2011, 05:33 PM
I found the problem, you ripped the audio in 5.1 or 7.1 off the dvd, not in 2 channel stereo. No portable player on earth supports this and no converter software will remove the extra channels to downgrade it to standard 2 channel stereo. You are stuck with using it on a computer as a flac file which works just fine, or downgrading it to 320kbps mp3s :

Eventually on Foobar: Processing => resampler to convert to 44,1 Khz (don't do that on Audacity) & 16 bit export. (edited post)

Faleel
11-16-2011, 05:41 PM
I found the problem, you ripped the audio in 5.1 or 7.1 off the dvd, not in 2 channel stereo. No portable player on earth supports this and no converter software will remove the extra channels to downgrade it to standard 2 channel stereo. You are stuck with using it on a computer as a flac file which works just fine, or downgrading it to 320kbps mp3s :[

7.1 is only from blu-rays (or atleast I think so)

sinty
11-16-2011, 05:58 PM
bottom line is the files will corrupt your portable media player and freeze it, no dap in existence can downsample on the fly like ffoobar can

Faleel
11-16-2011, 06:03 PM
resampler to convert to 44,1 Khz (don't do that on Audacity)

Why not? just curious.

Kolchak
11-16-2011, 06:25 PM
Thanks benuit and also thanks to IamBugz for the cover art!

Rad¬Max
11-16-2011, 08:45 PM
Thanks benuit and also thanks to IamBugz for the cover art!

welcome :)

-----

listening to it right now and I couldn't be happier with the audio. good job on the rip Benuit. :D

Bioscope
11-16-2011, 09:25 PM
Adobe Audition has an awesome multitrack editing suite for downmixing to stereo, but i'm not sure about Flac support. Audition will do it in wav though.

Arial
11-16-2011, 10:16 PM
Why not? just curious.

Audacity's processing for sample changes is a mess as I've learned on a serious audiophile site where they compared different softwares for sample changes. Audacity just can't do it. It corrupts the signal.

I think Foobar is better but I'd be more honest saying "I hope" it is.

... I'm glad you asked. ;)

benuit
11-17-2011, 01:19 AM
I found the problem, you ripped the audio in 5.1 or 7.1 off the dvd, not in 2 channel stereo. No portable player on earth supports this and no converter software will remove the extra channels to downgrade it to standard 2 channel stereo. You are stuck with using it on a computer as a flac file which works just fine, or downgrading it to 320kbps mp3s :[

No, unfortunately you have not found the error. My audio extraction software gives the possibility to choose whether all channels or stereo would extract. I choose "stereo".
By the way, the dvd only supports stereo and 5.1.

Made a sample file. Mono, Stereo and Full channel in direct comparison. Can you hear it? ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Rad¬Max
11-17-2011, 04:00 AM
ok so this is just an observation, definitely not directed to anybody in particular. why do i got the feeling that if a member here decided to share a soundtrack/score he/she must then be ready to defend what ever claims he had done for it?...come on, can we not be for once be appreciative enough to be cordial and just enjoy what has been offered or shared instead of going through a microscopic detail of questions about the real goodness or quality of someone else upload. there's always the ok, i got it, the sounds not too crisp or clear to me so there you go in the recycle bin. after that move on. I'm not saying criticism is bad after all it offers pointers for improvements but having to give too much of it negates the effort and the good intentions of the author for sharing that in the first place.

now where's the fun in that :-(

sinty
11-17-2011, 06:49 AM
In all honestly, I've no idea what to do or how to fix this problem. I've been working with audio for years and have had this problem many times before, each time only requiring to reconvert the files to flac again using a different converter, or maybe changing the file names or tags in some way. So far nothing has worked. I am stumped. Get a Flac supported portable player and let me know what your results are.

Arial
11-17-2011, 07:03 AM
@ Benuit: Weird, cause what I said converting the 5.1 to stereo was the only way to have the normal 1411 kbps, otherwise just downsampling to 44,1 Khz keep it above 2000 kbps. I didn't checked further and I won't cause I'm not interested in this score. I was curious about it and I'm just trying to figure it out with the guys because the coments confirm there's something unusual here. The files are huge enough to guess anyway.

Rad¬Max
11-17-2011, 07:33 AM
then by all means we move on and let others decide if they want this or not...

sinty
11-17-2011, 07:55 AM
Best to keep people informed with potential problems, as his rip causes freezing problems on your portable player. Would you like it if the files freeze your entire computer each time you try to play them? Well, its basically the same just reversed for me or for anyone who wants to use them on a portable player.

They are too corrupted to be played on a portable dap but because Foobar and a ton of other flac media players on computers have a ton of ways to bypass the problem they will of course work just fine. Its a too bad so sad thing for anyone who wants to use the music on the go. It is a real shame because as I said, the rip is fantastic and something I've wanted for years.

Arial
11-17-2011, 08:44 AM
Edited. Problem fixed: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Crawford Tillinghast
11-17-2011, 11:55 PM
Wow - one of my all time favorite scores - thanks!

conarda
11-18-2011, 02:15 AM
Megaupload please. Thanks.

GoshShesHot
11-18-2011, 04:08 AM
All RapidShare links no longer work.

jjohnni
11-18-2011, 05:59 AM
very nice

benuit
11-18-2011, 06:03 AM
All RapidShare links no longer work.

reup complete

Lupiressmoon
11-18-2011, 01:45 PM
Im a huge Superman nerd so thanks for this. It would be a funny joke to set the main theme as an alarm clock setting and wake everyone up that way.

sinty
11-18-2011, 04:28 PM
The codec support you linked wasn't the problem. It was that the files were ripped into 24 bit audio and that is not supported by any portable player right now ( I think the Hifiman HM series players can ) but reconverting them with Foobar to 16 bit fixes the problem and they sound lovely.

It is a great rip, but you might want to edit the original post to tell people to convert the files to 16 bit audio via foobar, takes like 2 minutes for all 44 files, sounds fantastic

WildwoodPark
11-18-2011, 04:52 PM
i didnt know that a FLAC could be played on a portable electronic/audio gear (as i have not even tried it for lossless eats too much space)...the loss less versions i have i played it only on pc while for my portable gadget its either in itunes/or 320mp3 is fine with me. I have converted it to lossy and works fine, played via Foobar, even Media Monkey works fine. i think corrupted is not the right term then. it may just have to do with some other things concerning codecs & compatibility with your music gadget

I recently bought a Sansa Zip Clip portable player for when I inline skate and or mountain bike and it works great with FLAC files albeit 16 bit, unless it's taken directly from a studio master I'm not quite sure 24 bit is going to sound any better anyways.

Walpermure
11-18-2011, 06:57 PM
The link's down I think.

Amanda
11-18-2011, 09:53 PM
They are. MU lists all flac and mp3 versions as unavailable. Someone not like this post?

benuit
11-19-2011, 11:51 AM
They are. MU lists all flac and mp3 versions as unavailable. Someone not like this post?
I like it and it works from my perspective ...

bishtyboshty
11-19-2011, 11:59 AM
Yeah, the complete flac link, and the sample link are dead, but the rest seem okay.

Rad¬Max
11-19-2011, 12:10 PM
the files were ripped into 24 bit audio and that is not supported by any portable player right now ( I think the Hifiman HM series players can ) but reconverting them with Foobar to 16 bit fixes the problem and they sound lovely.

does this mean reconverting the 24 bit audio FLAC to 16 bit audio FLAC?

benuit
11-19-2011, 01:44 PM
The codec support you linked wasn't the problem. It was that the files were ripped into 24 bit audio and that is not supported by any portable player right now ( I think the Hifiman HM series players can ) but reconverting them with Foobar to 16 bit fixes the problem and they sound lovely.

It is a great rip, but you might want to edit the original post to tell people to convert the files to 16 bit audio via foobar, takes like 2 minutes for all 44 files, sounds fantastic
16 bit FLAC added

radionaut
11-23-2011, 02:51 PM
WOW!!!! SUPERTHANKS!!! I have allways wanted the opening the way it was on the movie!

Faleel
11-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Audacity's processing for sample changes is a mess as I've learned on a serious audiophile site where they compared different softwares for sample changes. Audacity just can't do it. It corrupts the signal.

I think Foobar is better but I'd be more honest saying "I hope" it is.

... I'm glad you asked. ;)

Are you reffering to Sample rate conversion? the fact that it adds "noise"? if so, thats on account of dither, if you set the right settings, the noise is not created, or are you takling about something else?

dsguardian
11-23-2011, 03:18 PM
I'm still a little confused about the differences between this and the Blue Box. For instance, you have Prologue/Main Title score listed as 4:49, but on disc 8 of the Blue Box, the film version of Prelude/Main Title is listed as 5:19.

Also, how do any of these versions (yours, Blue Box, etc.) compare to the music on the isolated score of the DVD? Is the DVD iso score the film version of the cues? (Head is spinning, lol.)

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 03:47 PM
I can't comment on this rip - I'm not downloading it as I already own the Blue Box which is, so far, the definitive presentation of the score... but folk who are complaining about the sound quality of the original Superman need to get their ears checked out. Superman is one of the most beautiful sounding recordings of a symphony orchestra ever made. Like the original Star Wars score (also recorded by Eric Tomlinson) it's one of those recordings where you can close your eyes and marvel as the London Symphony Orchestra materialise in full concert-hall configuration right before you. You can hear the room - you can hear musicians playing instruments inside a room. Modern recording techniques dictate that you place a microphone on every instrument and as close to the instrument as possible without physically interfering with the performance. Eric Tomlinson did what is almost unthinkable, today. He let the modern symphony orchestra be a modern symphony orchestra.

It pains me to see people criticise this lovely recording - and hold up Ottman's clinical, soulless interpretation as an example of a better one. Folks, it's terrible. Listen, really listen to the original. That's music you're hearing, there.

Faleel
11-23-2011, 03:53 PM
You can hear the room.

I don't listen to music to "hear the room" I listen to music to hear the music

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 03:59 PM
When musicians play music, they do so in a room. You know exactly what I mean.

I have downloaded this rip and can confirm that Arial was absolutely right in his original suspicion; the speed is not correct. It is a semitone too high (or, to use a non-musical term as some folk around here seem more comfortable thinking of music as a product of technology and not art, about 4%, give or take) which is consistent with PAL speed-up.

Now deleting this rip.

Faleel
11-23-2011, 03:59 PM
When musicians play music, they do so in a room. You know exactly what I mean.

I have downloaded this rip and can confirm that Arial was absolutely right in his original suspicion; the speed is not correct. It is a semitone too high - which is consistent with PAL speed-up.

Now deleting this rip.

I have a much better rip of this.

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 04:01 PM
Yes, so do I - the Blue Box. The music as the composer intended, from the best currently-available source material, played at the appropriate speed... ;)

Faleel
11-23-2011, 04:03 PM
Yes, so do I - the Blue Box. The music as the composer intended, from the best currently-available source material, played at the appropriate speed... ;)

And still missing cues (not to mention clean endings).

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 04:04 PM
This is a genuine question; is the stuff missing from the Blue Box valuable in any way? Or are we talking about a few seconds here and there? Don't get me wrong - I absolutely support people who expect "complete" to mean "complete" and not merely "most of it" - but I am keen to know to what extent it is not complete...

Faleel
11-23-2011, 04:07 PM
An unused Fortress of solitude, source cue/s:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 04:09 PM
Wow, cue sheets!

"New start" implies a minor arrangement difference at the beginning and otherwise an identical cue though... doesn't sound that important...

Are these missing cues by any chance available anywhere?

Faleel
11-23-2011, 04:11 PM
Wow, cue sheets!

"New start" implies a minor arrangement difference at the beginning and otherwise an identical cue though... doesn't sound that important...

Are these missing cues by any chance available anywhere?

#1: You know the flute (?) "reference" to the Force theme in "The Planet Krypton"? that reappears in the unused "Fortress of Solitude"

#2: Only via mockups.

jmn77
11-23-2011, 04:25 PM
I can't comment on this rip - I'm not downloading it as I already own the Blue Box which is, so far, the definitive presentation of the score... but folk who are complaining about the sound quality of the original Superman need to get their ears checked out. Superman is one of the most beautiful sounding recordings of a symphony orchestra ever made. Like the original Star Wars score (also recorded by Eric Tomlinson) it's one of those recordings where you can close your eyes and marvel as the London Symphony Orchestra materialise in full concert-hall configuration right before you. You can hear the room - you can hear musicians playing instruments inside a room. Modern recording techniques dictate that you place a microphone on every instrument and as close to the instrument as possible without physically interfering with the performance. Eric Tomlinson did what is almost unthinkable, today. He let the modern symphony orchestra be a modern symphony orchestra.

It pains me to see people criticise this lovely recording - and hold up Ottman's clinical, soulless interpretation as an example of a better one. Folks, it's terrible. Listen, really listen to the original. That's music you're hearing, there.
QFT :) Well said.





...and Faleel. Using an "unused cue" as an example of an incomplete film score is hardly the most logical option...

Faleel
11-23-2011, 04:41 PM
...and Faleel. Using an "unused cue" as an example of an incomplete film score is hardly the most logical option...

I also used cue endings for an "example"


and here is one of the unused cues (the begining is NOT the unused part) Superman The Movie Complete Score: Baby Makes An Entrance/Baby Lifts Lorry A (Unused) [Mockup] - YouTube ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 04:53 PM
I know you'll think me a charlatan, but I just can't get all knotted up about 22 seconds of music that wasn't even recorded, and is another variation on the Superman theme. Where shall we stop? Shall we claim that it's an incomplete score because it doesn't include the fifty billion variations of the main theme Williams undoubtedly went through before settling on the well known melody? And the seventy five takes of the Main Title before they got it *just* right?

It's fascinating to hear these things - and to know that they exist... but their absence from the album (particularly since they don't exist except on manuscript paper) is not a deal breaker.

Faleel
11-23-2011, 04:59 PM
I know you'll think me a charlatan, but I just can't get all knotted up about 22 seconds of music that wasn't even recorded, and is another variation on the Superman theme. Where shall we stop? Shall we claim that it's an incomplete score because it doesn't include the fifty billion variations of the main theme Williams undoubtedly went through before settling on the well known melody? And the seventy five takes of the Main Title before they got it *just* right?

It's fascinating to hear these things - and to know that they exist... but their absence from the album (particularly since they don't exist except on manuscript paper) is not a deal breaker.

Its not the Superman theme....

Its the "personal"/Clark Kent motif....

tangotreats
11-23-2011, 05:15 PM
A Superman theme, not THE Superman theme. Forgive my error; it's late and I'm tired. I am not here to conduct a leitmotivic breakdown of the entire score.

You are one hell of a nitpicker. ;)

It is a variation of an already established theme. It is not important in the context of the score as a whole. That is what I meant. There is no need to dismiss an otherwise cogent argument and spotlight a minor slip up when the intent is crystal clear and the point is valid regardless...

Faleel
11-23-2011, 05:18 PM
A Superman theme...

what does that mean? my point was that there were cues missing, not that it wasn't complete...

But it is true that there is nothing as important as say....Rosenman's original Star Trek IV main title.

benuit
01-20-2012, 01:35 AM
IDIOTIC DISCUSSION ...

...Kindergarten

Shagmir
01-18-2014, 05:55 PM
Thanks !

bilbon50
01-20-2016, 03:27 PM
Thanks a lot! Benuit

TheOneBeatleManiac
02-02-2016, 06:38 PM
Where are the links for this? I do want it.

HunterTech
02-02-2016, 08:52 PM
I'm also interested in a link.

TheOneBeatleManiac
02-07-2016, 07:14 PM
benuit, do you still have a link for this rip of the score you did?