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Williamtaylor1969
10-26-2010, 10:27 AM
BANNED!!!

oasis82
10-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Can we get all the film scores and expanded 09 score in flac? Thanks!

Williamtaylor1969
10-29-2010, 10:46 PM
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Williamtaylor1969
10-31-2010, 09:45 AM
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shertz
10-31-2010, 12:25 PM
Thanks!!

DJJGKWYA
10-31-2010, 03:49 PM
Not exactly music, but these are the Spock vs Q audiobooks. I find the first one to be more humorous.
Hotfile.com: One click file hosting: Star Trek - Spock vs Q.rar ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Hotfile.com: One click file hosting: Star Trek - Spock vs Q ~ The Sequel.rar ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Williamtaylor1969
10-31-2010, 06:05 PM
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iams001
10-31-2010, 07:59 PM
My hero!

Do you have "The Survivors"? or a TNG soundeffects? Thanks again for the awesome scores!!!!

Williamtaylor1969
11-01-2010, 10:03 AM
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sorei
11-01-2010, 10:13 AM
if there's any interest, I have several audiobooks ST, just wanted to mention that. :)

I could rip 'first contact' and 'undiscovered country' in flac, too.

Williamtaylor1969
11-01-2010, 12:23 PM
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Williamtaylor1969
11-01-2010, 07:10 PM
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angelababy
11-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Thanks so much for the wonderful information you provided us

Williamtaylor1969
11-02-2010, 09:39 AM
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Williamtaylor1969
11-07-2010, 12:08 PM
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Williamtaylor1969
11-08-2010, 10:22 AM
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power543
11-08-2010, 11:08 AM
very very very nice...you know each day people like you show me there are even more soundtracks and clip libearys out there THANK YOU - ive wanted the Assult Phaser effect for years! thanks! (got any more ;))

sorei
11-08-2010, 01:16 PM
@William, calm down. ;) Not even the film hunt thread number 1 was a sticky! And the thread will not disappear into darkness just because it is not a sticky.
:D

Williamtaylor1969
11-08-2010, 09:47 PM
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olafolaf
11-09-2010, 09:35 AM
That's the problem. We're just people :P

Let this be in a dark corner. With all the label score sharer hunt ;) going on, 'tis a good thing, i think :)

A few questions:

Is label X the tos', avaiable on CD?
Is Yesterdays Enterprise ET the CD?

When posting could be more specific if somethings been unreleased?

Also i offer to cut the suites here into seperate tracks if you like i just have no way to upload. They would be in ogg format (maximum possible quality). Until i can afford a better software ogg would have to do.

sorei
11-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Let this be in a dark corner. With all the label score sharer hunt ;) going on, 'tis a good thing, i think :)



agreed. :)

something different:
sorry it is going to take a while longer until I can post the audiobooks....

Williamtaylor1969
11-09-2010, 10:31 AM
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izbot
11-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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olafolaf
11-10-2010, 03:45 AM
William...

you sounded a bit annoyed by my post. Perhaps you have to much of peoples self obsessed sh*t coming your way; well i am not that kind of person :)
So to clarify my post:

- I OFFER to cut your provided recording sesson into seperate tracks. I am willing to mail it to you or anyone interested and hope others proffiting from this by
someone uploading the cuts. I need no credit. Also since you have the honors of providing us with this great material in the first place i find it only fair if you
where the one uploading the cuts so there is no question about the musics origin.

Ah and here's something i found in the internet but could not download because i lack SPECIFIC access to the files. There are some tracks listed i haven't found anywhere else:

Star Trek Enterprise These Are the Voyages compilation Star Trek promos bootlegs rarities mega thread ([Only registered and activated users can see links] tion_-_Star_Trek_promos_bootlegs_rarities_mega-thread.2311297.html)

1. Horizon - Travis In The Sweet Spot (Mark McKenzie)
2. Horizon - Childhood Map (Mark McKenzie)
3. Horizon - Alien Attack Decisive Action (Mark McKenzie)
4. Horizon - Another Four Years (Mark McKenzie)
5. Horizon - Never Better Sir (Mark McKenzie)
6. Horizon - Horizon Theme (Mark McKenzie)
7. Acquisition (Velton Ray Bunch)
8. Desert Crossing - Geskana Match Part 2 (Velton Ray Bunch)
9. Desert Crossing - Night Attack Rescued (Velton Ray Bunch)
10. These Are The Voyages - Theme 1 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
11. These Are The Voyages - Theme 2 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
12. These Are The Voyages - Theme 3 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
13. These Are The Voyages - Theme 4 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
14. These Are The Voyages - Theme 5 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
15. These Are The Voyages - Theme 6 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
16. These Are The Voyages - Theme 7 (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
17. These Are The Voyages - Finale (Where No Man Has Gone Before) (Kevin Kiner, Dennis McCarthy)
18. These Are The Voyages - Finale Radio Commericial (VO 30 sec)
19. These Are The Voyages - Finale Radio Commericial (no VO 30 sec)
20. These Are The Voyages - Finale Radio Commericial (VO 60 sec)
21. These Are The Voyages - Finale Radio Commericial (n VO 60 sec)

FILE LISTING LINK
Star Trek Enterprise These Are the Voyages compilation Star Trek promos bootlegs rarities mega thread ([Only registered and activated users can see links] tion_-_Star_Trek_promos_bootlegs_rarities_mega-thread.2311297.html)

FILE LINK (needs login i don't have)
Star Trek Enterprise These Are the Voyages compilation Star Trek promos bootlegs rarities mega thread ([Only registered and activated users can see links] tion_-_Star_Trek_promos_bootlegs_rarities_mega-thread.2311297.html?reff=2311297.425497927)

izbot
11-10-2010, 04:22 AM
Olafolaf, all those tracks can be found seperately and for free at TrekCore Star Trek Multimedia Screencaps and Information! ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in their audio sections (and a bunch more than those listed, too).

Williamtaylor1969
11-10-2010, 10:29 AM
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stujwilson
11-10-2010, 10:50 AM
Good thread... Thanks for the links :)

Williamtaylor1969
11-10-2010, 02:50 PM
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olafolaf
11-10-2010, 03:44 PM
Wooooooah THX!!!! :)

JRL3001
11-11-2010, 02:39 AM
Hey will, I hate to be a spoilsport, but every one of your links in this thread are kaput. Looks like Rapidshare nuked the lot

stujwilson
11-11-2010, 03:42 PM
I dont think they've been deleted - The links just don't look right (shortened).

Williamtaylor1969
11-16-2010, 02:01 PM
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Williamtaylor1969
11-19-2010, 03:34 PM
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sadsack
11-21-2010, 03:40 PM
In regards to TOS scores, there are two other CD releases of re-recordings (besides the two Label X re-recordings, which I hope are reuppped soon). Released by Colosseum. Can anyone please upload those?

Vol1: Corbomite, Charlie X, Doomsday Machine, Mudds Women.
Vol2: By Any Other Name, Trouble With Tribbles, Mirror,Mirror, Empath.

sorei
11-21-2010, 03:44 PM
In regards to TOS scores, there are two other CD releases of re-recordings (besides the two Label X re-recordings, which I hope are reuppped soon). Released by Varese/Colosseum. Can anyone please upload those?

Vol1: Corbomite, Charlie X, Doomsday Machine, Mudds Women.
Vol2: By Any Other Name, Trouble With Tribbles, Mirror,Mirror, Empath.

this special label cannot be posted here, so no, sorry. (see sticky: Music that can not be posted for legal reasons)

Btw, you need to have about 10 posts to be able to receive private messages, so it might be helpful if you just replied several times to some threads to enable your pms, so we can talk about TOS :)

sadsack
11-21-2010, 04:29 PM
thanks, sorei. What if I limit my release reference to only one of those labels - Colosseum? Or is that splitting hairs?

sorei
11-21-2010, 04:38 PM
thanks, sorei. What if I limit my release reference to only one of those labels - Colosseum? Or is that splitting hairs?

;)

I understand you all too well but it won't work as this company belongs to VS..... and in so far, everything that belongs to VS-family cannot be posted.

Now you have 2 posts,8 more to go ;)

JonC
11-21-2010, 05:46 PM
Interesting and useful thread.
Don't sweat the sticky-- People will find it.

I am impressed by some of the truly, truly obscure tracks you've put up. One of the few albums I'm still hunting for is the soundtrack to Trekkies. If you have, that would be great. If not, that's okay too.

On a side, non-Trek note, On the old film hunt thread you mentioned having a Star Wars SFX album that included droid SFX. I wouldn't ask you to muddy this thread by posting it here, but if there is some way I could get a copy, that would be great. (It's for a project I'm working on.)

In any event, good luck with your continuing Trek endeavors,
JonC

Stampedes
11-21-2010, 06:10 PM
;)

I understand you all too well but it won't work as this company belongs to VS..... and in so far, everything that belongs to VS-family cannot be posted.

Now you have 2 posts,8 more to go ;)

Only 9 now! (for me)

sadsack
11-21-2010, 09:34 PM
I stumbled on some lossless uploads of all 4 TOS items I was inquiring about.
Looking forward to more rarities from Williamtaylor1969. :)

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Olafolaf, all those tracks can be found seperately and for free at TrekCore Star Trek Multimedia Screencaps and Information! ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in their audio sections (and a bunch more than those listed, too).

Thanks. Nice to get some of those Enterprise promos
On the NextGen music page, is everything listed below the "This is not commercially available" actually not available? Many of the cue names that follow seem to be from the retail releases, the notable exceptions being the entire "Face of the Enemy" and "Inner Light" variations.

borgatwolf3591
11-22-2010, 03:49 AM
Hey William do you have any of the TNG sound effects up for grabs?

Williamtaylor1969
11-22-2010, 10:30 AM
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sadsack
11-22-2010, 04:53 PM
william, I see you've uploaded new links for TNG RELICS and LAST OUTPOST and JUSTICE. Are they from the same source music as the earlier uploads, but separated into cues, with cue calls deleted?

Btw would it be acceptable to provide downloads for TOS scores derived from the dvd's 5.1 audio (music/FX)?

Williamtaylor1969
11-22-2010, 07:53 PM
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sadsack
11-23-2010, 11:35 AM
To get an idea of what these music/fx tracks sound like, here's a small download of two iconic cues sadly omitted from the "Cage/Where No Man" cd:
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Or play one of these tracks on youtube (though the mp3 audio was compressed again):
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Music/fx from 3 episodes: Enemy Within; Charlie X; Man Trap[first cue has some dialog echo].
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

The four lossless uploads were the re-recordings on Label X, and Varese (so I cant post the 2 Varese here). As I got them from another share site, I dont think I should post his links (I can PM you a link to the Trek fan's page there - it's mainly the released music, plus some from Trekcore). I could reupload the Label X and post new links here.

sorei
11-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Star Trek Audiobooks: TOS

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Yesterday Saga 1+2

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2 - time for yesterday

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1- Exodus

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2- Exiles

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3- Epiphany

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I have more.

Williamtaylor1969
11-23-2010, 02:22 PM
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sadsack
11-23-2010, 03:30 PM
Probably old news, but in the interest of fattening the thread, there's an ongoing production of radio plays (they aren't broadcast on radio, but they're produced like radio shows) called "Star Trek: the Continuing Mission." I already played and deleted them, but they can be found here:
Star Trek: The Continuing Mission ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
The premise (as I recall) is starship USS Montana is thrown 72 years into the future (Next Gen era). I think they're trying to invigorate the laid back NextGen folks with the "cowboy diplomacy" of Kirk's time.

Williamtaylor1969
11-23-2010, 04:49 PM
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sadsack
11-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Here's a flac load of "Best Of" vol 1. (30th Anniversary), if you dont want the mp3 version:
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
If you're using an older PC with XP (like I), and have trouble zipping/unzipping music files, I believe the cause is the track names are too long for Windows. I had this issue with the above music files, but using the free program "7-zip" will work.

Williamtaylor1969
11-24-2010, 03:54 PM
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borgatwolf3591
11-25-2010, 02:04 AM
Lots more episodes of Continuing Mission are in the works with two more currently in production even as we speak :)

Live long and prosper :)

iams001
11-26-2010, 01:54 PM
Look out! ST:V Complete Score coming our way:

Limited Edition 2-CD Star Trek V Soundtrack Coming Out Next Week | TrekMovie.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

bdiddy1979
11-26-2010, 03:05 PM
Look out! ST:V Complete Score coming our way:

Limited Edition 2-CD Star Trek V Soundtrack Coming Out Next Week | TrekMovie.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Excellent!

borgatwolf3591
11-26-2010, 03:44 PM
Here's an ultra rare audiobook of the TNG Giant Novel Vendetta :)

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Enjoy!

wayfarer
11-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Look out! ST:V Complete Score coming our way:

Limited Edition 2-CD Star Trek V Soundtrack Coming Out Next Week | TrekMovie.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Thanks for posting that! I'd forgotten that LLL Records had a big announcement planned for today. That'll be it then :O)

Verisimilitude2010
11-26-2010, 07:58 PM
Okay, here are the links:

MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (Yesterdays Enterprise recording sessions)
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (Ensigns of Comand)
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MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (TOS sound effects Volume one)
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (TOS sound effects Volume Two)
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (TOS sound effects Volume three)
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (Trek Movie sound effects)
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MORE to come!

William

William,

Where was your source for the "Elan of Trois/Who Mourns" files? These are not DVD rips, and would seem to be studio recordings (albeit very muffled and several tape generations degraded). Are there others like these?

Veri!

Momaru
11-27-2010, 12:01 PM
Look out! ST:V Complete Score coming our way:

Limited Edition 2-CD Star Trek V Soundtrack Coming Out Next Week | TrekMovie.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Let's all BUY this!

Sirusjr
11-27-2010, 12:28 PM
Yes, let's show La La Land us downloaders also buy music and make it a quick sell out.

Williamtaylor1969
11-27-2010, 12:57 PM
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sadsack
11-27-2010, 01:20 PM
wow. I dont get people like that - wanting to keep something all to their selves. Does Paramount have any music-only tapes in its vaults?
Spielberg wanted a clip from a great film called "Lonely are the brave" and assumed it was on dvd. Fans of the film had been wishing it was released for years. Anyway, when he found out it wasn't available, he requested it to be released, and it was. We need someone with major industry clout like him to say, "Hey, where's all the TREK TOS music?" It doesnt seem to matter what we small fry want.

Verisimilitude2010
11-27-2010, 05:11 PM
Well, I will tell you, but be prepared to be SHOCKED!! Neil Norman, the "head" of Crescendo records had these scores on a cassette, which he let me borrow for a couple of days, and naturally, I transferred it (at that time, late 70's) to reel to reel tape, and then copied THAT to CD in the mid to late 80's. Neil had made a deal with a very well known TREK collector, to get all of his copies of music from 13 TOS Trek episodes. By this time, Neil had released most of the TOS music that he had, including the TOS SFX cds, which I had given him the master tapes. He was supposed to pay me 5% of the total gross on that release, but to date, I have gotten nothing from him, and I never will, judging from his actions thus far. About 10 years later, mid to late 90's, I was talking with Neil at a convention in Vegas, and I asked him about getting copies of the 2 tracks masters from those 13 episodes. A 2 track has music on one channel, and voice and sound effects on the other. He told me that he had no interest in releasing the music from those 13 episodes, and has placed the master recordings in a bank deposit box, and has no plans to get them out, so NO, I cannot have a copy of those tapes. I told him that people in Trekdom would pay very well for copies of that music, since he was on his FOUTH printing of my sound effects CD, 10,000 per set, so that was 40,000 copies of the CD alone, which was was selling wholesale to Tower records for $8.99 per! His cost per CD: a nickle, if he bought 10,000 copies!!!! This guy made SOOOOO much money on MY recordings that he bought (paid cash) a house in Malibu in the mid 1990's!!!!! I wish that I had gotten an attorney back then, and got a contract with Neil for the sound effects master recordings!!! This guy is MAJOR Hollywood scum!!!

There you have it! William


Wow! That's pretty amazing. The clips you uploaded are soooo tantalizing. It's great to hear them without ambient sound effects (such as the DVD rips I did) - and yet they're just a bit too far gone to place into my DVD ripped tracks for a cleaner copy. Still its wonderful to hear them. In particular the cue where Apollo and the Enterprise are duking it out at the end of "Who Mourns for Adonais?" - I was hearing music that was (up until this point) totally smothered in sound effcts. Wish there were more out there. Makes an official release all that more tantalizing! Thanks for filling in the details, and for sharing those clips William. :)

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wow. I dont get people like that - wanting to keep something all to their selves. Does Paramount have any music-only tapes in its vaults?
Spielberg wanted a clip from a great film called "Lonely are the brave" and assumed it was on dvd. Fans of the film had been wishing it was released for years. Anyway, when he found out it wasn't available, he requested it to be released, and it was. We need someone with major industry clout like him to say, "Hey, where's all the TREK TOS music?" It doesnt seem to matter what we small fry want.

I may be overly optimistic, but with the recent success of Star Trek 2009, and the releases of complete soundtracks like ST II, III (and now) V, not to mention the recent Ron Jones release - well I remain hopeful that an eventual TOS box set release could one day happen.

Fingers crossed! :D

Momaru
11-27-2010, 10:24 PM
William,

Where was your source for the "Elan of Trois/Who Mourns" files? These are not DVD rips, and would seem to be studio recordings (albeit very muffled and several tape generations degraded). Are there others like these?

Veri!

I'm glad to see, "Who Mourns For Adonais?" since I remember that the reverb SF/X could not be eliminated in Verisimilitude's version.

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He was supposed to pay me 5% of the total gross on that release, but to date, I have gotten nothing from him, and I never will]


I feel as if, after downloading the SF/X albums (I never bought them ) I should pay YOU something!

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I wonder why Neil Norman let you borrow those cassettes long ago, but then refused to let you borrow the tapes themselves recently? Change of heart? Greed? Maybe he'll have a change of heart later.

So, "EoT" and "WMfA" are the only two you got from him?

Thirteen isn't all the soundtracks from the series; wonder what happened to the rest.

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Many, MANY more items are on their way, and YES, I do happen to have the STTNG SFX! I also have the music from the Roddenberry record "Inside Star Trek", that was recorded by a small LA based new age band, that was used in the background, while Gene would talk. I also have the complete "Inside Star Trek", along with many RARE recordings!

Enjoy, William


Who ARE you? :-D

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Add to that the apparent fact that sarah just doesn't seem to care about anything that concerns anything other than sarah! I know that this is "her site", but she doesn't have to hold herself so high and mighty! We are people as well!

William

Well, I think she's under a lot of pressure, what with the latest court dealings with ISOHunt and Pirate Bay, as well as the recent "outing" of the Ron Jones Project.

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I am sure that they should be out there in cd format somewhere. [/COLOR][/I][/B]

They are; I have them!

Verisimilitude2010
11-27-2010, 10:33 PM
I'm glad to see, "Who Mourns For Adonais?" since I remember that the reverb SF/X could not be eliminated in Verisimilitude's version.

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I agree Momaru. That's why it's so tantalizing. The heaviest laden cues on WMfA? consist of the final confrontation (filled with wind, lighting and phaser fire), and then topped off with Apollo's final (echoey) speech. They're there on William's studio recording link, but severly muffled, and lacking crispness. I've tried filtering the clips a bit in order to replace my DVD ripped ones, but haven't had too much success. I'm not giving up yet, though! :D

BTW, the first cue to Elaan of Troyius on William's file contains an extra 15 seconds of music dialed down in the final episode edit. That one I was able to clean up a bit and add back into my DVD ripped version. Not perfect, but it works. That was a pretty cool discovery! :)

Momaru
11-27-2010, 11:35 PM
wanting to keep something all to their selves.

??????

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BTW, the first cue to Elaan of Troyius on William's file contains an extra 15 seconds of music dialed down in the final episode edit. That one I was able to clean up a bit and add back into my DVD ripped version. Not perfect, but it works. That was a pretty cool discovery! :)

You've saved me the effort! Would you be so kind as to post them?

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Looks like there's a gap in M62 of "Who Mourns For Adonais." Wonder what happened.

sadsack
11-28-2010, 09:19 AM
wanting to keep something all to their selves.

??????
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reread William's post - Neil sounds pretty selfish and hoarding to me:
...I asked him about getting copies of the 2 tracks masters from those 13 episodes. A 2 track has music on one channel, and voice and sound effects on the other. He told me that he had no interest in releasing the music from those 13 episodes, and has placed the master recordings in a bank deposit box, and has no plans to get them out, so NO, I cannot have a copy of those tapes.

Williamtaylor1969
11-28-2010, 12:45 PM
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GOD! I really HATE fuckers that quote every god-damned thing that you post!

RIGHT?

Seriously.

ComicsJoe
11-28-2010, 07:10 PM
Well, I will tell you, but be prepared to be SHOCKED!! Neil Norman, the "head" of Crescendo records had these scores on a cassette, which he let me borrow for a couple of days, and naturally, I transferred it (at that time, late 70's) to reel to reel tape, and then copied THAT to CD in the mid to late 80's. Neil had made a deal with a very well known TREK collector, to get all of his copies of music from 13 TOS Trek episodes. By this time, Neil had released most of the TOS music that he had, including the TOS SFX cds, which I had given him the master tapes. He was supposed to pay me 5% of the total gross on that release, but to date, I have gotten nothing from him, and I never will, judging from his actions thus far. About 10 years later, mid to late 90's, I was talking with Neil at a convention in Vegas, and I asked him about getting copies of the 2 tracks masters from those 13 episodes. A 2 track has music on one channel, and voice and sound effects on the other. He told me that he had no interest in releasing the music from those 13 episodes, and has placed the master recordings in a bank deposit box, and has no plans to get them out, so NO, I cannot have a copy of those tapes. I told him that people in Trekdom would pay very well for copies of that music, since he was on his FOUTH printing of my sound effects CD, 10,000 per set, so that was 40,000 copies of the CD alone, which was was selling wholesale to Tower records for $8.99 per! His cost per CD: a nickle, if he bought 10,000 copies!!!! This guy made SOOOOO much money on MY recordings that he bought (paid cash) a house in Malibu in the mid 1990's!!!!! I wish that I had gotten an attorney back then, and got a contract with Neil for the sound effects master recordings!!! This guy is MAJOR Hollywood scum!!!

There you have it! William
Yeesh. Guy's quite a cunt.

BTW, do you own more classic sound effects? I'm looking for one specific sound... a monster roar sound effect:
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Verisimilitude2010
11-28-2010, 09:25 PM
To answer a few questions:

When Neil gave me that cassette, he has no interest in the TOS music, and a small interest in the SFX. That really changed when he played a small sample of FX at a convention, and saw how many people approached him with requests for records and cassettes (No CDs invented at that time!) When I didn't get the cassette back to him within a week, he started harassing me on the phone, so I had to drive all the way up to LA to give him the blasted thing back!

As to "WHO" I am: if I told you, it would scare you too much! (Hehehehehe)

As to the poor quality of these episodes, sorry, but that is the best that was available at that time, and I suppose that in the very near future, within a couple
of years, the advent of new computer programs, to take the exsisting music, and run it thru some filters and programs to take it back to first generation will be available to the mass public, then we can take this music and clean it up. Some of that is available right now, as well as "Spacial environment" programs to make the mono music sound stereo. Just a really good reverb, in my opinion, but still sounds better than mono!

Anyway, with more and more rare TOS stuff hitting the net, it will only be a matter of time before someone at Paramount sits up and decides that they HAVE to get that music out there, and get a "piece of the action" (sorry, couldn't help dropping that episode title in here!)

As far as I know, there are no 2 track recordings left at the studio. Most were just thrown away, if you can believe that! A fan found some old reel to reels, and sold them to a friend of mine, who came out with the "Star Trek Bloopers" record. These were the vocal tracks from the LAST TOS episode, and if anyone has a copy of that recording, since mine has been long gone for many years, I would appreciate a link!



Fascinating stuff, William. And please don't feel like I'm putting down the quality of the file you uploaded. Considering these are recordings from reel to reel from the late 70's - well, I'm amazed they sound as good as they do.

I've always assumed that Paramount/Viacom still has all of the soundtrack mixes (even of the episodes without original composed material). I can't imagine that they could build 5.1 audio DVDs without separate dialogue, sound effects, and music. But I'm in the same frame of mind as you are - I think/hope its only a matter of time before these recordings receive some love and care and an eventual official release.

Please consider sharing any other rare TOS recordings that you find popping up on the Internet. Thanks for all you've shared so far. :)

Veri!

sadsack
11-29-2010, 08:35 AM
I can't imagine that they could build 5.1 audio DVDs without separate dialogue, sound effects, and music.

I suspect Paramount used stems for the TOS 5.1 dvds since most of the episodes dont have completely separate dialog and FX channels. If so, it's unlikely a retail release would come from those sources. A notable exception to the rule was the FSM release of "Satan Bug" (Goldsmith) with it's FX - they felt it was better than nothing, and Goldsmith is so popular.
It would be a dream come true if Paramount still had the separate elements. Maybe William can pull some strings...

Momaru
11-29-2010, 09:13 AM
It seems more likely that we'll need something like what Heathcliff Blair did with Doctor Who -- figuring out what the notes were and then rerecording it. Or does BMI have the sheet music? I believe Fred Steiner is still alive (though Sol Kaplan and Alexander Courage aren't.)

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 10:38 AM
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Momaru
11-29-2010, 11:12 AM
Speaking of "V" -- There's one CD of Dennis McCarthy's music, but I know not if it's all the music he composed for the series (unlikely.) There were other composers for it, too, I believe, but I've never seen any CDs for it other than Dennis' ("I may call you Dennis, may I?") Also, he did a Twilight Zone (1985) CD with about 12 pressings, no one has it, no torrents, no used, nothing. Any ideas about that?

Come to think of it, _you_ could be Dennis McCarthy, in cognito!

power543
11-29-2010, 11:20 AM
very very interesting reading all of this - thank you so much William for all of the uploads and i was THRILLED for the Trek movie sound effects - the very phaser effect i had been wanting for years and if there are many more goodies like that in the SW SFX set then you are to be comended, huged and high fived!

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 12:33 PM
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sweetmeats
11-29-2010, 01:06 PM
I would absolutely LOVE to hear the Star Wars effects that Mr. Burtt gave you. Is it safe to say that in the sound effects documentary on the Star Trek (Abrams) Blu-ray, when Burtt is going over the original effects that he used for the movie, he received those from you? Very cool!

Momaru
11-29-2010, 01:08 PM
Just a note, that the music for the "Enterprise" episode "Horizon" presented on TrekCore appears to be truncated. The tracks all fade at the end, in an unnatural place.

Momaru
11-29-2010, 02:52 PM
If you have access to Dennis McCarthy, could you ask him about "V" and "The Twilight Zone", or maybe tell me how to get in touch with him! He seems like an amicable fellow.

ComicsJoe
11-29-2010, 06:13 PM
YES!! I could be Dennis, but then I would have to cut my throat! hehehehehehehe

No, I am not Dennis McCarthy. Nor am I Fred Steiner either!

William

Bill Henderson? :)

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 06:39 PM
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Momaru
11-29-2010, 07:26 PM
No, I don't have any access to Dennis at all, have not spoken to him, or with him in over 20 years! And NO, he is not amicable at all!

Well, that's too bad!

So Dennis McCarthy and Fred Steiner are not nice people. What about Ron Jones? Jerry Goldsmith?


...he thought that I was Dennis Murren!!! :)

So you are a Dennis!

I think Dennis Spooner is dead.

I don't know who Dennis Murren is, either!

sweetmeats
11-29-2010, 07:29 PM
Love the stories. Thanks!

ComicsJoe
11-29-2010, 08:07 PM
Here's a small hint:

nobody uses their REAL name on the internet!

William[/FONT][/I][/B]

Actuaaaally, there's lot's of people who use their real names on internet. Producer Don Murphy, writer Roberto Orci, "director" Michael Bay, huuuuuuuuge number of Facebook users... :)

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 08:17 PM
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ComicsJoe
11-29-2010, 08:35 PM
I have never met Ron Jones, but hear that he is a sweetheart of a guy

Dunno... after reading this interview, he seems like a jerk:

Question:
What do you think of the hot topic of digital rights management, internet piracy, etc.? Do you think artists are harmed or helped by having free copies of their music floating around the net?

Answer:
Hey, the artist is in an area where everyone can rip his work off. How would you feel if you couldn't lock your car up, and every day people who say they appreciate you steal the contents. Not FUN! The same technologies that make the digital age such jolly good fun has a dark side in that artists are easily robbed of their work. It seems like everyday or so some fan sends an e-mail asking for some cue that has not been released on CD legally. The studios paid good bucks to record the music so it could add to the enjoyment of the audience which in the case of Television soundtracks paid nothing. The public is completely spoiled. You can buy a feature film on DVD like Star Wars that cost 100 million to make for under $20 dollars. My God that's a freaking bargain Jimmy! But no, we all want more. We are totally sick as a society, especially in the ways we abuse our few creative people. Without the creative ones, mankind would go nowhere. Just take a look at history. So everyone hold hands and decide if you want to fuck humanity as well as the content creators? Seems like this would be an easy thing to figure out, but apparently some brain chips were eaten by the dog along with the homework assignment. How sad. I am thinking of putting my scores in cement so they are more difficult to steal. Somebody's gonna get a hernia. Honor creativity and you honor yourself. Don't get me started on SUV's.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

(There was another interview regarding Duck Tales soundtrack where he went on how he'd rather bury it into a hole with concrete because that way pirates won't ever get to steal it... can't find the link unfortunately...)



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and speaking of sweethearts, Jerry Goldsmith was the NICEST guy you would ever meet!
He really put me in mind of Issac Asimov, he would talk with anyone, on any level, and he was a very down to Earth, REAL person, and that's very rare to find
in Hollywood. I loved talking with Jerry (and Issac as well) and I really learned alot from him. He remembered me from when I was a "child prodigy" and played the classics all over the world, and that really impressed him big time. I told him that it was really all crap, that I would have rather been playing baseball with the other kids, or going to summer camp! He thought that was great.

Jerry was one of those very rare persons, who could sit down at a piano and create a wonderfull piece of music at the drop of a hat! He personally gave me the extended music from STTMP, before it was ever released on CD! Now, all of that is available here or there, but it was amazing to visit his house in Bel Aire and see his wall of reel boxes, with almost every recording session he ever did! WOW, what a treat!

William
You met Jerry AND Isaac? WOW!

Momaru
11-29-2010, 09:52 PM
I love the fact that a small comment to Mr. Taylor ("If that's your real name") gives us these huge interesting personal events. It's like talking to a celebrity. Of course, for all we know, he could be!

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with almost every recording session he ever did! WOW, what a treat!

William

Apparently The Satan Bug was not among them.

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Sounds like Ron Jones is going a bit overboard, but I can understand his displeasure, to put it mildly, with all the piracy going on, especially with what happened recently. I'm not claiming to be a saint myself, by the way, just sayin'.

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I'm getting the impression that "William Taylor" (who was apparently born in the same year as me!) is a person whose real name we would all recognize.

Verisimilitude2010
11-29-2010, 10:17 PM
Fred Steiner is okay, just that he is narcissisic, self envolved, and thinks that he is a better composer than anyone else. Neil was going to release alot of Fred's work, but wanted to start the TOS music at the beginning, which means that he would have to go with Alex Courage's score from the first pilot. Fred got his nose in a snit, and went out and arranged to record the two CDs that VS did. Pity, if Neil would have gone with Fred, we may have had a TON of TOS music to work with, because Neil would have gotten copies of all of the episodes that Fred did, and that would mean that I would have gotten copies as well!

William


I agree, a great shame. Even though Courage created the Trek theme and scored the two pilots, it was really Steiner who carried the bulk of the composing for many great Trek scores. And Steiner was consistently firing on all musical cylinders. I haven't met a Steiner Trek score that I didn't love. Can't say the same about Courage or Dunning (as good as they were too). Its a real shame GNP never got around to releasing any of his scores.

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 10:29 PM
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Momaru
11-29-2010, 10:37 PM
Momaru, you were born in 1951? Interesting! Another postwar babyboomer person!
William

Um, actually I was born in 1969. I couldn't think of another reason for that number to be in your screen name/handle/moniker.

Williamtaylor1969
11-29-2010, 10:54 PM
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Momaru
11-29-2010, 11:19 PM
Well, I was four months old then. My interests were, then, somewhat more basic and self-involved.

ComicsJoe
11-30-2010, 07:17 AM
Ron's opinion about pirates is pretty much shared by the whole industry. I can tell you that, personally. However, one thing that I REALLY hate is when others
take your work and put THEIR name on it! That is worse that piracy, that is plagarism, in the lowest form! That is why Mr. Miller (in the above story) is really
the lowest form of snake you could ever meet!

William

Indeed.

And piracy is merely making of unauthorized copies. What causes financial damage are dickholes who can afford what they downloaded (and liked) but despite that won't buy the product (cuz they're dickholes).

Momaru
11-30-2010, 09:01 AM
I was once at an SF convention and found a CD of the music from "Remembrance of the Daleks." It looked pretty professional, but of course, it wasn't: It was the isolated score from the serial. The problem is, the guy was selling it. What's worse than just downloading something for one's own personal use is downloading it and then selling it!

sadsack
11-30-2010, 09:14 AM
Even though Courage created the Trek theme and scored the two pilots, it was really Steiner who carried the bulk of the composing for many great Trek scores.

Courage's music for CAGE was so alien and good that it's reused thruout the series, so I dont think you can minimize his impact (and influence on Steiner's scores, which I love, too). As far as I can tell, Courage only scored two more episodes (besides the pilots) - Man Trap and Plato's Stepchildren. I had the impression Roddenberry created a rift between himself and Courage (over money and/or authorship) which is possibly why he didn't score more episodes.

So have we figured out who William really is? If it's not Harlan Ellison, then I guess it's Q.

ComicsJoe
11-30-2010, 10:34 AM
I was once at an SF convention and found a CD of the music from "Remembrance of the Daleks." It looked pretty professional, but of course, it wasn't: It was the isolated score from the serial. The problem is, the guy was selling it. What's worse than just downloading something for one's own personal use is downloading it and then selling it!

^And that.


Courage's music for CAGE was so alien and good that it's reused thruout the series, so I dont think you can minimize his impact (and influence on Steiner's scores, which I love, too). As far as I can tell, Courage only scored two more episodes (besides the pilots) - Man Trap and Plato's Stepchildren. I had the impression Roddenberry created a rift between himself and Courage (over money and/or authorship) which is possibly why he didn't score more episodes.

So have we figured out who William really is? If it's not Harlan Ellison, then I guess it's Q.

Jonathan Frakes? :D

soundtrekker
11-30-2010, 11:02 AM
I agree, a great shame. Even though Courage created the Trek theme and scored the two pilots, it was really Steiner who carried the bulk of the composing for many great Trek scores. And Steiner was consistently firing on all musical cylinders. I haven't met a Steiner Trek score that I didn't love. Can't say the same about Courage or Dunning (as good as they were too). Its a real shame GNP never got around to releasing any of his scores.



Hello Veri, this is soundtrekker, nice to meet you again! Glad you didn't get lost in the [Only registered and activated users can see links] and seeing that you still are working on your TOS score project is great news, indeed! Let's hope technology will come around to rip those damned DVD's without those SFX and dialogue echo's (as was hinted at from someone), or that, some day, they will get an official release!

To William Taylor: I have read all your recent messages regarding TOS music, and also your latest comments re. Neil Norman, Ron Jones and the majestro himself, Jerry Goldsmith (RIP), and I can only say: WOW. You really are in the business, and I envy you for your experiences. I also can understand your frustration with some of those people who have "stabbed you in the back"!

I will go on reading your posts, William and Veri, and will give some input and thoughts, whenever I feel the need. As Veri knows (I met him on demonoid and had many emails with him!) I'm also a great fan of all the TOS music. (I'm born in 1961, and being German, I came into contact with Trek in 1972, and since then I immediately became an avid follower of Trek TOS and, to some lesser degree, all its later incarnations.)

One thing I wanted to ask you, William: Since the "New Voyages/Phase II" team apparently uses your Trek TOS sound effects (as I read in your above post), what is the source of the original trek tos cues they are using for the episodes? Have they ripped the DVD's themselves? Are all of their cues SFX-free cues only, or have they access to other cues, which Veri, for instance, couldn't clean? I haven't checked the Phase II episodes to cross examine them with Veri's cues, to see if there are clean cues which Veri doesn't have. What do you, William, and you, Veri, think about that?

Best regards,
Soundtrekker


P.S.: Veri, you keep misspelling the good George Duning "Dunning"! Please stop that immediately, or I'll throw you in the brig for one week - and no, you may not take your mp3 player with you!

P.P.S.: William, are you Gary Seven, on a mission to change history in 2010? If so, please go further back and try to get some first generation copies of the Trek TOS music tracks, would you?

Momaru
11-30-2010, 11:23 AM
>what is the source of the original trek tos cues they are using for the episodes?

There are a number of officially release soundtracks for the series:

1)The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before
2) Amok Time/The Doomsday Machine
3) Shore Leave/The Naked Time

as well as two re-recordings by Varese Sarabande. So there's a wealth of early Star Trek music out there, for the New Voyages to use.

wbteeple002
11-30-2010, 12:17 PM
Murren also has a cameo in Raiders of the Lost Ark as a Nazi spy who follows Indy onto the PanAm clipper flight.

Bill


Dennis Murren is the SPFX man who did all the stop-motion work for Star Wars, Empire, etc. The only reason this kid thought that I was Dennis Murren was that I had a beard at that time, and I sort of looked like him.

<snip>

William

jjohnni
11-30-2010, 12:28 PM
star trek the ron jones project would be nice

JRL3001
11-30-2010, 01:33 PM
Hey William. Finally got to listen to some of the stuff you've been posting. Absolutely fantastic! I am really enjoying what you have shared with us. Especially, I must say, the Star Trek movie sound effects. I am a bit of a sounds effects geek. Have had the TOS CD's for years and always wanted the movie ones. So thank you very much :)

Momaru
11-30-2010, 01:48 PM
star trek the ron jones project would be nice

It was here. Someone from Film Score Monthly popped in here and saw it, reported it to the producer of the FSM soundtracks (can't remember his name) and he was FURIOUS, threatening to basically stop producing any more soundtracks since TRJP hadn't (yet) generated a return. Sarah immediately closed the thread on which it was loaded, deleted the download and, perhaps, all the FSM downloads on these pages. The possiblity was even raised that the whole project, here, would be shut down.

So it's a sore spot.

I recommend everyone buy the Ron Jones Project when he can find the $150 or so it costs, as well as the complete releases of Star Treks II and III. FSM does a great job, I would recommend supporting them highly!

Williamtaylor1969
11-30-2010, 02:02 PM
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Momaru
11-30-2010, 02:40 PM
>simple "OLDSCHOOL" trick that we used to use back in the day. When you are dealing with mono music, and you need to segue one piece and >into another

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>simple "OLDSCHOOL" trick that we used to use back in the day. When you are dealing with mono music, and you need to segue one piece and >into another

When I was trying to make a complete TRON soundtrack (using Audio Extractor, I believe) I had some trouble with one scene on the solar sailer, just after Flynn is rescued. For 99% of the soundtrack, the voices and SF/X were on a different channel than the music, so all went smoothly, except for this one scene. In it, these two recognizers attach the beam me and ride it along, from the left part of the screen to the right. For some reason, the recognizer sound seemed to be on all tracks, so I couldn't get rid of it.

Then, somehow, I realized that, since it's in stereo, and the recognizer is moving from left to right, so is the SF/X! So I went and copied the music that was on the left channel when the SF/X was on the right, and simply pasted the music onto where the SF/X were! (Ain't Audacity great?) I did the same thing with the other side, so now, there is no SF/X anymore!

It's always great when I can figure out how to do stuff!

(See, this is the kind of stuff we talk about while we're waiting for William to unveil his next treat!)

JRL3001
11-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Well, Thanks. I am currently reviewing all of the SW SFX, because I was an idiot and somehow mixed all of Ben's stuff with crap that I had downloaded from the internet, and really screwed everything up. But, going thru this stuff, I realize what great stuff there is here, you guys will LOVE it! I will post it up here this week.

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I can't wait! SW sound effects have always been one of those things I never thought I'd be able to listen to independent of the films

sweetmeats
11-30-2010, 03:08 PM
As always...thank you!

Tekolar
11-30-2010, 04:17 PM
@Williamtaylor1969: Didn't you also say something about TNG sound effects in one of the previous posts or did I get something wrong? If not I would be veeeeery happy to get my hands on those :)

ComicsJoe
11-30-2010, 07:19 PM
and BTW, Jonathan Frakes is totally tone deaf! (hehehehehehe)

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Hmmmm.... Jay Chattaway? :D

sadsack
11-30-2010, 09:44 PM
There's one CD of Dennis McCarthy's music, but I know not if it's all the music he composed for the series (unlikely.) There were other composers for it, too, I believe, but I've never seen any CDs for it other than Dennis' ("I may call you Dennis, may I?") Also, he did a Twilight Zone (1985) CD with about 12 pressings, no one has it, no torrents, no used, nothing. Any ideas about that?

Actually it was about 500 pressings. I bought one, copied it for myself and resold the original. I did upload it for a private trading site, so I can pass along my download link (although I'm not sure I should post it here since it's a TREK thread, not New TWZone).
There are some promo/boots scores by Basil Poledouris for some New TWZone episodes which I found just by googling. I dont know if the links are still live, but I could upload those. I still haven't played them.
I dunno if you were looking for Dennis' "V," but it's still available. You've probably seen his site here:
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

From William's patois (totally kewl, dude), I'm thinking Keanu Reeves, except he would have been 5 years old when that Disneyland feature opened - would he really have remembered it? Plus I can't imagine him obsessing about TREK music.

Momaru
11-30-2010, 10:02 PM
(although I'm not sure I should post it here since it's a TREK thread, not New TWZone).

Well, you could always post it somewhere else and then post the link here, or just send me the link. Yes please!


There are some promo/boots scores by Basil Poledouris for some New TWZone episodes which I found just by googling. I dont know if the links are still live, but I could upload those.

Again, yes please! I wonder how you found it, I Googled "New Twilight Zone music" and never got anything other than D.Mc.'s.




From William's patois (totally kewl, dude), I'm thinking Keanu Reeves, except he would have been 5 years old when that Disneyland feature opened - would he really have remembered it? Plus I can't imagine him obsessing about TREK music.

I know not what "patois" means, but as someone else suggested, I think Jay Chattaway is the closest guess yet. He seems about the right age, and I've seen a photo of him with a mustache!

Though of course, we're just choosing people we know. It's possible we've never heard of him! That would be a shame, wouldn't it?

Williamtaylor1969
11-30-2010, 10:56 PM
Yeah, I know, but also, I just got access to the rest of the TOS music, and some more sound effects! Plan to share them with everyone, once I have time to go thru them all.

William

Verisimilitude2010
11-30-2010, 11:15 PM
Courage's music for CAGE was so alien and good that it's reused thruout the series, so I dont think you can minimize his impact (and influence on Steiner's scores, which I love, too). As far as I can tell, Courage only scored two more episodes (besides the pilots) - Man Trap and Plato's Stepchildren. I had the impression Roddenberry created a rift between himself and Courage (over money and/or authorship) which is possibly why he didn't score more episodes.

So have we figured out who William really is? If it's not Harlan Ellison, then I guess it's Q.

Hard to argue with your summation there burnedout. To be certain, Courage did have an impact. And as you say, they were still playing his 1st season cues in the 3rd season (albeit re-records).

I think Steiner just plays a bit better towards my taste in Trek music. Courage had some great scores too (The Cage, Where No Man..., The Naked Time, The Entreprise Incident), but some of his scores left me less enthused (such as Man Trap and Plato's Stepchildren). I honestly can't say the same about Steiner (or for that matter Kaplan, Fried, or Fielding). Every score is a gem IMHO.

Still, this is like trying to decide which child I love more. Impossible. I love them all! :D

BadAtom
11-30-2010, 11:23 PM
Even Steiner's score for ST:TNG's "Code of Honor" was quite good, although perhaps a little too melodramatic and reminiscent of the original series for the producers' tastes.

Verisimilitude2010
11-30-2010, 11:56 PM
Hello Veri, this is soundtrekker, nice to meet you again! Glad you didn't got lost in the [Only registered and activated users can see links] and seeing that you still are working on your TOS score project is great news, indeed! Let's hope technology will come around to rip those damned DVD's without those SFX and dialogue echo's (as was hinted at from someone), or that, some day, they will be get an official release!

soundtrekker! Great to "see" you again! Hope all is well with you. The project has continued in spurts. Season 3 has been more laborious. Lost of season 1 rerecords to sort through, plus strange cues popping up once in a while. Plus, I have to trudge through the hippie sing alongs. ;) Some improvements here and there to be sure, but only a full official release will really satisfy. :D



One thing I wanted to ask you, William: Since the "New Voyages/Phase II" team apparently uses your Trek TOS sound effects (as I read in your above post), what is the source of the original trek tos cues they are using for the episodes? Have they ripped the DVD's themselves? Are all of their cues SFX-free cues only, or have they access to other cues, which Veri, for instance, couldn't clean? I haven't checked the Phase II episodes to cross examine them with Veri's cues, to see if there are clean cues which Veri doesn't have. What do you, William, and you, Veri, think about that?



I still thhink they're using clean cues, not just the official CDs (original or rerecordings). But, I haven't really had time to examine it further either. The one clip that has me scratching my head comes from the space battle in Blood and Fire pt. 1. I am hearing clean music from Enterprise Incident and Spocks Brain. Either these are very, very close rerecords (and which label even released those?)- or they have access to the original tapes.


P.S.: Veri, you keep misspelling the good George Duning "Dunning"! Please stop that immediately, or I'll throw you in the brig for one week - and no, you may not take your mp3 player with you!

Hah! :D Old habits die hard my friend! Although I have grown to appreciate Duning's work much, much more than I did initially (3 years ago). Love Metamorphosis and Return to Tomorrow.

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>what is the source of the original trek tos cues they are using for the episodes?

There are a number of officially release soundtracks for the series:

1)The Cage/Where No Man Has Gone Before
2) Amok Time/The Doomsday Machine
3) Shore Leave/The Naked Time

as well as two re-recordings by Varese Sarabande. So there's a wealth of early Star Trek music out there, for the New Voyages to use.

I agree with you, Momaru - except some of the music they use seems like original cues from Season 3 soundtracks not yet released (or re-recorded). Watch "Blood and Fire" part 1 (Star Trek: Phase II | Video Portal ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) and have a listen. There's clean stuff from Elaan of Troyius, Spocks Brain, etc. Maybe I'm hearing more in this episode than is truly there and being swayed by my own wishful thnking. I'd love to hear others' opinions on this too.

Veri!

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I also wanted to say that the TOS score project that Veri is working on is GREAT, and I wanted to give you a simple "OLDSCHOOL" trick that we used to use back in the day.
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Thank you very much, William! :)

shertz
12-01-2010, 12:44 AM
My hero!

Do you have "The Survivors"? or a TNG soundeffects? Thanks again for the awesome scores!!!!

I would like to get this too.

JonC
12-01-2010, 07:06 AM
According to Herb Solow's book, the rift between Roddenberry and Courage came after Roddenberry submitted 'lyrics' for the opening theme (Solow reprints the sheet music with the text,) as a way of getting 50% of the royalties for the Star Trek theme. Even though the lyrics were never used, or even recorded, Roddenberry got his cut (which cut Courage's royalties in half,) and that pretty much did it for him and Trek. I would guess later scores were for the money. Man's gotta eat.
The equally sad story is that Courage's bread and butter work was arranging, and one of his later gigs was arranging the score for...wait for it...Star Trek the Motion Picture.
Some days Hollywood can be a very cruel business.
JonC

Momaru
12-01-2010, 07:46 AM
Even Steiner's score for ST:TNG's "Code of Honor" was quite good, although perhaps a little too melodramatic and reminiscent of the original series for the producers' tastes.

I agree. When I first saw the episode I felt the music jarred with it.


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HEY! Check out my Twilight Zone thread!!! Lots of stuff there too!

William

Please post a link! You know how bad this search engine is.

Williamtaylor1969
12-01-2010, 09:45 AM
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trekker007
12-01-2010, 09:52 AM
@Williamtaylor1969: Didn't you also say something about TNG sound effects in one of the previous posts or did I get something wrong? If not I would be veeeeery happy to get my hands on those :)

I second this, I would also love to see some TNG sound effects, we only have the small amount that were released on the Generations score album and there are still a bunch missing, thank you!

Momaru
12-01-2010, 10:10 AM
Ahhhh, yes, I remember that crap! However, I remember Gene talking about the problems right from the beginning of the CAGE score....

...This is mainly what got Jeffrey Hunter booted from the show

But when two people have an argument, neither is going to admit he's wrong!

From what I've heard, Jeffrey Hunter was offered more money and it became apparently he didn't want to continue with the role.



BTW, the TWLIGHT ZONE thread is now back on top. I had to dig thru about 20 pages to find it, but lots of good stuff there!

William

At which thread is it the top?

Williamtaylor1969
12-01-2010, 10:45 AM
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sadsack
12-01-2010, 10:59 AM
TWZone thread

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serya
12-01-2010, 02:57 PM
William,

Ever come across any recordings of Star Trek (The Animated Series) by Filmation? Composer Ray Ellis (who is credited for Filmation scores under pseudonym of wife's name Yvette Blaise) said in an interview that he did not have the tapes himself. The DVD is 5.1 (the only one of Filmation's DVDs with 5.1 that I can see). There are tracks of music w/ sound effects without dialogue.

I did find a rip someone apparently did from the DVD of the main themes used and reused on the show, adding up to about 10 minutes. They did a good job- got some stereo spatial effect you mentioned somehow that is not on the DVD channels. I've extracted the two (apparently mono) L + R channels which contain both the music and sound effects, but no dialogue, so whoever put this together picked the best spots they could find to avoid SFX, and added a stereo spatial effect. Would be so great to have the music without the effects, of course.

There are also some SFX tracks from the animated series included in a collection from ST related shows.

I've uploaded both ST TAS music and SFX folders I found to the file below:

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Delta 01/138
12-01-2010, 03:01 PM
Some very cool stuff you've contributed sir, my little brother was especially happy to see TMP SFX and the music from Relics as was I for Yesterday's Enterprise. He and I wish to know, you have any more TMP stuff lying around? The Wrath of Khan phaser effect perhaps?

Thanks again for all you've shared.

Williamtaylor1969
12-01-2010, 03:08 PM
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Argo1naut
12-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Greatest thread ever. The personal insights into the industry are priceless and cool. What a shame such great music is held hostage by the wrong issues.

ispalko070480
12-01-2010, 05:57 PM
serya thank you so much for the ST TAS music!



Rob

sadsack
12-01-2010, 06:29 PM
some of the music they use seems like original cues from Season 3 soundtracks not yet released (or re-recorded). Watch "Blood and Fire" part 1 (Star Trek: Phase II | Video Portal ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) and have a listen. There's clean stuff from Elaan of Troyius, Spocks Brain, etc. Maybe I'm hearing more in this episode than is truly there and being swayed by my own wishful thnking. I'd love to hear others' opinions on this too.

Awhile ago, I read on some TREK site that PHASE II was getting a couple TOS cues from someone at Paramount. Perhaps someone should email PHASE II.
It's reassuring to think some of the music exists in the Vaults, but there doesnt seem to be any plans to release it.

Verisimilitude2010
12-01-2010, 08:37 PM
Awhile ago, I read on some TREK site that PHASE II was getting a couple TOS cues from someone at Paramount. Perhaps someone should email PHASE II.
It's reassuring to think some of the music exists in the Vaults, but there doesnt seem to be any plans to release it.

And here's our answer...

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Someone called "Ralph Miller" is the sound designer for Phase II. He talks about his access to the original masters. He also mentions later in the thread (page 2) that these exist as 3 track masters. All great news (although I would imagine hell would have to freeze over before anyone at Phase II would let these files leak).

Delta 01/138
12-02-2010, 06:40 AM
Not really knowing all that much about the different sound effects, and NOT being a "Trekkie" myself, I thought that the phaser SFX on the STTMP was for most of the movies. It sounded to me like the SFX when Kirk fires his phaser on the bug out of Chekov's ear! However, getting to what you were asking, the only stuff that
I got is on that link, sorry.

William


Yeah I was actually aiming more for the starship phaser sounds from the Wrath of Khan; examples here ([Only registered and activated users can see links]=00m30s) and here ([Only registered and activated users can see links]=08m40s). I was hoping to tweak a mod I have for Star Trek Legacy and since the stuff you uploaded was crystal clear (unlike some of the muffled "rip from the movie" audio used in the mod) and if you had the effect it would have been great. Ah well, couldn't hurt to ask.

Thanks for the reply.

Momaru
12-02-2010, 08:02 AM
>when I worked on the FIRST incarnation of the old show!

Richard Matheson?

sadsack
12-02-2010, 08:41 AM
And here's our answer...

QUESTION over various THEME CUES ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Someone called "Ralph Miller" is the sound designer for Phase II. He talks about his access to the original masters. He also mentions later in the thread (page 2) that these exist as 3 track masters. All great news (although I would imagine hell would have to freeze over before anyone at Phase II would let these files leak).

Thanks for researching that. Doesnt it just make you want to cry? Or in your case, make your eggs get runny?

Momaru
12-02-2010, 08:48 AM
>when I worked on the FIRST incarnation of the old show!

Richard Matheson?

Oops! I'm switching threads here!

Though Richard Matheson DID contribute to Star Trek ("The Enemy Within") nonetheless he is better known for his work on The Twilight Zone.

Is Gene L. Coon still alive? Matt Jeffries?

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Or in your case, make your eggs get runny?

ROFL!!

ComicsJoe
12-02-2010, 08:48 AM
Oops! I'm switching threads here!

Though Richard Matheson DID contribute to Star Trek ("The Enemy Within") nonetheless he is better known for his work on The Twilight Zone.

Is Gene L. Coon still alive? Matt Jeffries?

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ROFL!!

Both died.

Williamtaylor1969
12-02-2010, 10:20 AM
And here's our answer...

QUESTION over various THEME CUES ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Someone called "Ralph Miller" is the sound designer for Phase II. He talks about his access to the original masters. He also mentions later in the thread (page 2) that these exist as 3 track masters. All great news (although I would imagine hell would have to freeze over before anyone at Phase II would let these files leak).


Yeah, I just got my hands on the TOS music, what there is of it, and I'm currently going thru it. It was NOT located at Paramount however, and Ralph is a well known liar about MANY things!

William

wbteeple002
12-02-2010, 10:54 AM
Serya, thanks for sharing. I grew up on TAS, the Blish adaptations, and whatever syndicated episodes I could see in grainly black and white. "The Chase" brings me right back in time.

Au revoir,

Bill

serya
12-02-2010, 12:18 PM
Rob and Bill,

You are very welcome, thanks for the kind words. As a child ST TAS was one of the cornerstones of my growing awareness of film and TV background scores as an art form that moved me. Ellis' music was memorable in melody and rhythm, and big in dramatic scope for a "cartoon".

I also found on YouTube that there are people working on pulling the music from the DVDs-

aweboy created a nice little suite of the music:
YouTube - Star Trek: The Animated Series - Background Music ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

imbedded in that video are links to videos by:

volntn2000 - an action edit

DakotaWRS3 - various music cues including a rare version of the end title without cymbals for the ship pass he says can be found on the Laserdisc version.

Tim

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ST-TSS

Star Trek - The Slide Show

YouTube - 1974 Blue 07 - Star Trek ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

ispalko070480
12-02-2010, 01:34 PM
Ya I found the music on youtube as well. That combined with your collection is awesome. Thank you again.

ComicsJoe
12-02-2010, 03:06 PM
I called my friend "Pete" who still works at Paramount, and has worked on EVERY Star Trek movie and TV show all the way down the line. He checked into this 3 track location thingy, and was told that they are LONG gone. Veri, if you read my other posts regarding ""Mr. Miller" you will see that he is a bald-faced liar all the way down the line. Chances are that he pulled those from the DVD tracks. He was totally obsessed with the TOS series, and I know for a FACT that there is no way he could get a pass into the studios, since he and his friend were caught on the TNG sound stages, videotaping a "tour" of the sets. There has been a "keepout" order on Mr. Miller for over 20 years, and everyone knows him! This is a really BAD guy here!

Gene Coon died while the original series was still on the air. And Matt Jefferies died about 10 years ago, I was at the funeral, since he was a friend also. And also Fred Phillips, I went to his funeral as well *sigh*

William

How old is "Pete"? O.o

Williamtaylor1969
12-02-2010, 03:32 PM
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izbot
12-02-2010, 03:34 PM
I'm enjoying all these tantalizing clues, william! Waitaminit -- tantalizing, Tantalus Field, Dr. Simon Van Gelder who was played by Morgan Woodward who was in Cool Hand Luke with...

Paul Newman!!

Btw, has anyone located that ST5 2-disc set released on Tuesday? Is it buried in one of the other threads?

ComicsJoe
12-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Too old for you, besides, he's married!!!!

William[COLOR="Silver"]

And how old are yooooouuuu? :)

sadsack
12-02-2010, 06:30 PM
...Paul Newman!!
um, he's dead (Jim).

Williamtaylor1969
12-02-2010, 06:37 PM
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ComicsJoe
12-02-2010, 08:57 PM
Have you read all the posts? The info is in there!

William

77? :)
AAaaaaand.... are you Michael Bell? :D

Williamtaylor1969
12-02-2010, 10:47 PM
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sadsack
12-03-2010, 09:40 AM
I called my friend "Pete" who still works at Paramount, and has worked on EVERY Star Trek movie and TV show all the way down the line. He checked into this 3 track location thingy, and was told that they are LONG gone. Veri, if you read my other posts regarding ""Mr. Miller" you will see that he is a bald-faced liar all the way down the line. Chances are that he pulled those from the DVD tracks. He was totally obsessed with the TOS series, and I know for a FACT that there is no way he could get a pass into the studios, since he and his friend were caught on the TNG sound stages, videotaping a "tour" of the sets. There has been a "keepout" order on Mr. Miller for over 20 years, and everyone knows him! This is a really BAD guy here!
William

I looked thru my Phase II forum PMs and emails from last year, and found this reply about the music (I never got a response from Miller, this was an email from a forum member):

The name of the guy is Ralph Miller, from what I understand (he's discussed this in a thread about "Blood and Fire") he has the original tracks. I'm afraid you really can't beat that as far as source material goes, huh!

I don't know what I did with his e-mail, but he's posted in this thread: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

I'm not sure if I was supposed to keep his sharing of that cue he sent me on the down low, but as it's only 15 seconds long I don't think any harm should come of it.

I also dunno how he'd feel about sharing more of it. I would dearly love for all of the TOS music to be available some day, seeing as Paramount don't look likely to ever sell more TOS soundtracks. I've bought every official recording (and all but one of the re-recordings) and would happily buy more, if only they'd sell it!

Anyway, Ralph Miller is his name and he was very polite and helpful. If anything comes from your discussions with him, let us know!

ComicsJoe
12-03-2010, 10:46 AM
GEEEEZZZZ!!! There are actually THREE Michael Bell's that are in the music end of the industry. Which one are you thinking of? And what is that "77" number? My age, or the year that I was born? Both are WRONG!!! :)

William

The actor. :D
Your posting style kind of reminded of him. :)

Williamtaylor1969
12-03-2010, 11:16 AM
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izbot
12-03-2010, 02:16 PM
Symphonic Star Trek
Erich Kunzel conducts the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra

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Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Expanded Edition
Leonard Rosenman

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This One's From the Heart
James Darren

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Vic Fontaine sings all the songs featured on Deep Space Nine.

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Has Been
William Shatner (arranged by Ben Folds)

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The Music of Star Trek Online [Video Game Music]
Michael Henry

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Main Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture [7" Single]
Bob James

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Star Trek Comedy - The Unofficial Album
Vince Emory Presents Various Artists

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Star Trek Voyager: The Hologram's Handbook
Robert Picardo

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Trek Bloopers
Original Cast

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trekkier1138
12-03-2010, 04:23 PM
has any body seen the new Star Trek V score yet?

sadsack
12-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Keep us informed of what you find out. If you need a private email for Ralph, I will see if I can find it for you.
William
I'm pretty sure I PMed Ralph at the time (18 months ago) and didnt get a reply. From the forum member's email to me, it seemed like a huge favor that he got 15 seconds of music from Ralph. From my POV, why bother? If I'm gonna grovel, it better be for a sweeter pot than that.

Williamtaylor1969
12-03-2010, 08:32 PM
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Number Five
12-03-2010, 09:21 PM
[...]there is no way he could get a pass into the studios, since he and his friend were caught on the TNG sound stages, videotaping a "tour" of the sets.Out of curiosity, would that be the illegal TNG tour that showed up on YouTube a few years back? I'm guessing it's likely, but it's just interesting to hear about it from a diiferent source.

Honored General
12-03-2010, 10:27 PM
@ izbot -

Many Thanks for the awesome shares!

sorei
12-04-2010, 08:34 AM
lots of interesting stuff to read, thanks for the stories too!

Williamtaylor1969
12-04-2010, 11:00 AM
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bdiddy1979
12-04-2010, 11:29 AM
He used to have a small office, that was actually in the back of his closet, but his wife bought more clothes, so she told him to remove his little desk
from the closet!


That is absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, the funniest thing I've heard all year.

JRL3001
12-04-2010, 01:01 PM
has any body seen the new Star Trek V score yet?


Not yet. Still waiting for mine to show up in the mail :D

Williamtaylor1969
12-04-2010, 01:12 PM
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serya
12-04-2010, 03:01 PM
I love Free Enterprise, and yes, that is very similar as you describe it! The film has so much great fandom geek detail that it must have come from a lot of people the screenwriters knew, or themselves. Funny that Eric McCormack, who went on to TV fame, said he had never seen Star Trek, yet he is so convincing as a total Trekkie. He did a great job in that movie.

Tim

izbot
12-04-2010, 04:18 PM
Speaking of which, anyone have the OST for Free Enterprise?

Williamtaylor1969
12-04-2010, 07:49 PM
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sadsack
12-04-2010, 08:38 PM
I have a question about those two GNP Crescendo hodgepodge BEST OF releases which contain a couple short TOS cues - if they got the rights for those, surely they can get more for some dedicated TOS cds... unless Paramount is asking astronomical money for them?

sadsack
12-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Just a note, that the music for the "Enterprise" episode "Horizon" presented on TrekCore appears to be truncated. The tracks all fade at the end, in an unnatural place.

if you notice, there's five 30 second cues followed by a 5 minute cue. That suggested to me that the long cue was a suite, and for some reason, someone split it up. If you check them out, you'll see this is true, with one exception: cue #1 is presented in a different version and later in the suite. Maybe this 2nd rendition was for a similar scene at the end of the show.
#1 (not in suite)
#2 at start of suite
#3 at 1.16
#4 at 3.15
#1 (similar) at 4.28
#5 at 4.46

sadsack
12-05-2010, 05:57 PM
anyone download and unpack the two Label X re-recordings? The lossless files are ".WV" I've tried two different programs to unpack them, which appear to work, but the outputted waves wont play. From the site I got them, I didn't see any complaints about these being corrupted. Either I'm doing it wrong, or they are corrupted. Can anyone corroborate one way or another?

Williamtaylor1969
12-05-2010, 07:22 PM
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sadsack
12-05-2010, 07:53 PM
I tried your suggestion, but no luck. The problem was also on the other 2 rerecordings which I wont mention. These are wavepack lossless files which, like flac, compress waves up to 50%, and can be unpacked back to normal without any quality loss. I know someone with all 4 TOS re-recording cds, so I'll try to get copies from him. I did find the two Steiner rerecordings in mp3, but for these I'd like the full monty.

Momaru
12-05-2010, 11:10 PM
So William, are you still uncovering more Dennis McCarthy soundtracks? You suggested at one point you'd have them ALL, and I'm hoping!

sorei
12-06-2010, 02:48 AM
so what about dbpoweramp music converter (google)? normally this little tool can convert everything?

Momaru
12-06-2010, 08:02 AM
>dbpoweramp music converter

That doesn't convert .ac3 to anything.

But, again, I think I'm switching threads!

Amanda
12-06-2010, 08:11 AM
Not yet. Still waiting for mine to show up in the mail :D

Actually, yes, Izbot posted it in this thread a page or so back. There is also a dedicated thread for it.

sadsack
12-06-2010, 08:32 AM
so what about dbpoweramp music converter (google)? normally this little tool can convert everything?

Hi Sorei, I usually stay away from payware (which that looks to be). My real question is if anyone has downloaded and unpacked them successfully. Btw, the mp3 versions of 2 cds apparently were yours or someone using the same screenname (from a closed site).

Lupus
12-06-2010, 08:43 AM
@burnedout
Try using software from this site: WavPack Audio Compression ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) It's freeware and if those files are OK they should unpack without problems.

Williamtaylor1969
12-06-2010, 09:47 AM
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sadsack
12-06-2010, 10:10 AM
@burnedout
Try using software from this site: WavPack Audio Compression ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) It's freeware and if those files are OK they should unpack without problems.

:)Thanks for reminding me - I downloaded the NERO plugin from there and that works when I open a WV in the Nero wave editor.
That's also where I got wvunpack.exe (part of WAVPack download) which doesnt output a working wave when I drop an WV on it. I dont know how else to use that folder of exe's.

Lupus
12-06-2010, 10:20 AM
If you'd give me a link, I could check those files.

Sanico
12-06-2010, 10:21 AM
I tried your suggestion, but no luck. The problem was also on the other 2 rerecordings which I wont mention. These are wavepack lossless files which, like flac, compress waves up to 50%, and can be unpacked back to normal without any quality loss. I know someone with all 4 TOS re-recording cds, so I'll try to get copies from him. I did find the two Steiner rerecordings in mp3, but for these I'd like the full monty.

Have you tried a program that can convert wv files to flac or ape. Since they are all lossless you wouldn't loss anything during convertion, i guess.

sadsack
12-06-2010, 10:44 AM
Have you tried a program that can convert wv files to flac or ape. Since they are all lossless you wouldn't loss anything during convertion, i guess.
No, I wasn't looking at the problem that way, but I guess I could look into it. Since the NERO plugin worked, I should be happy with that, but I'd like know why I'm getting a glitch with these other programs. I'm pretty sure I unpacked an earlier TREK .WV folder successfully with them.
What I'd really like is feedback from someone who has downloaded and successfully unpacked the files.

Jams, here are links to the two allowable CDs:
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Lupus
12-06-2010, 10:51 AM
Ok - I'll check those albums and let you know. Do you have problems with both of them?

EDIT
I checked the first volume. Sometimes dragging a file onto .exe doesn't work. I thought this may be the problem but I extracted .wav tracks from .wv without any problem using wvunpack.exe.

sadsack
12-06-2010, 11:39 AM
jams, thanks for checking. I had trouble with both of those, plus 2 Varese cds in Wavepack. So dragging onto wvunpack.exe worked for you (rather than command line, which I dont know how to do)? I wonder what might be the issue - the only thing I've installed lately are Windows and antispyware updates. Wavepack frontend is what I used initially and that outputed correctly, but not now.

Lupus
12-06-2010, 11:44 AM
All the documentations are there on that website I posted earlier. You can also try using some kind of a Graphical User Interface (GUI). I found something like this WavPack frontend ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) although I didn't try it. You may try that or search for another GUI.

sadsack
12-06-2010, 12:03 PM
yeah, tried frontend, and got the Nero plugin and wvunpack earler (as I've mentioned a couple times already) from that site previously. I dont savvy the command line instructions for wvunpack, though.

Lupus
12-06-2010, 12:59 PM
You want me to upload it in wav or flac?

izbot
12-06-2010, 01:40 PM
And, I checked my collection of soundtracks, and was unable to find "Free Enterprise" score anywhere!

William

Thanks for looking!

sadsack
12-06-2010, 03:45 PM
You want me to upload it in wav or flac?
That's a kind offer, but at this point, I think I'll just wait for the cdrs a friend will send. If he has a problem with his cds, I'll use the Nero plugin for the .WV's, and if that doesn't work for all the cues, I might take you up on that offer. :)

BadAtom
12-06-2010, 05:31 PM
I'm really looking forward to hearing more of the early Dennis McCarthy stuff. The recording sessions are fascinating to listen to. I grew up with the early TNG episodes so hearing that music is like reliving my childhood!

Williamtaylor1969
12-07-2010, 09:36 AM
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sadsack
12-07-2010, 10:04 AM
I fully expected to have the same experience, but actually had the opposite. When the Ron Jones box was announced, I started watching some ST:NG, and when the music was noticeable, enjoyable, and not the usual droning McCarthy background, I thought "This must be by Ron or someone else"" but it was usually by McCarthy. I like Ron's music for later episodes, but after a blind taste test, cant see generalizing that one composer is better than the other.

Momaru
12-07-2010, 12:28 PM
Perhaps the music for "Encounter at Farpoint" is worse than "The Best of Both Worlds" and so we generalize that Ron Jones must be better.

Given how good "The Inner Light" is, maybe we're underjudging Jay Chattaway.

Williamtaylor1969
12-07-2010, 12:48 PM
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ComicsJoe
12-07-2010, 03:28 PM
TNG music from first couple of seasons was the best. Later, the music mostly became dull generic crap. (wouldn't be surprised if that was Rick Berman's decision)

Momaru
12-07-2010, 03:39 PM
If you read the liner notes for TRJP, you'll see that it was.

I really want "Code of Honor" because it's the only one of the first six or so TNG episodes for which a soundtrack of some kind doesn't exist.

izbot
12-07-2010, 05:11 PM
If you read the liner notes for TRJP, you'll see that it was.

I really want "Code of Honor" because it's the only one of the first six or so TNG episodes for which a soundtrack of some kind doesn't exist.

It's also the only one for TNG by Steiner (and maybe that's why it hasn't been released given what william says about him!).

Williamtaylor1969
12-07-2010, 07:00 PM
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Amanda
12-08-2010, 08:54 AM
Just a quick note to say thanks to William and the other uploaders. I finally got a chance to comb through these links, and grab what I didn't already have. So, thanks. :D

Also, even though my friend Sparktank hates this word...."bump", just to keep this thread from fading into the nether regions.....

sadsack
12-08-2010, 09:26 AM
I really want "Code of Honor" because it's the only one of the first six or so TNG episodes for which a soundtrack of some kind doesn't exist.

Along with the original series, I started doing some ST:NG and Enterprise music/fx cds from the 5.1 dvd audio. If you cant find a regular recording, you might be able to do that with "Code of Honor."

Altovar.87
12-08-2010, 11:50 AM
Along with the original series, I started doing some ST:NG and Enterprise music/fx cds from the 5.1 dvd audio. If you cant find a regular recording, you might be able to do that with "Code of Honor."

Hi!

If you are interested i've been doing ds9/voyager music/fx from 5.1 audio for a over a month now. I have about 35 DS9, and 15 voyager scores uploaded to my blog, plus the first "box set" called the debney-bellis-smith project. If you'd (or anyone else here) like i can provide you with links to the blog.

A.

bishtyboshty
12-08-2010, 11:57 AM
Hi!

If you are interested i've been doing ds9/voyager music/fx from 5.1 audio for a over a month now. I have about 35 DS9, and 15 voyager scores uploaded to my blog, plus the first "box set" called the debney-bellis-smith project. If you'd (or anyone else here) like i can provide you with links to the blog.

A.

Now that's a kind offer I could not refuse.

Altovar.87
12-08-2010, 12:28 PM
Now that's a kind offer I could not refuse.

I'm not sure if it's allowed here to post external links or e-mails, so here is a link for the DS9 box

DS9 BOX 1:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

24-page booklet with composer's info, tracklists etc. (pdf or jpg):

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

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You can find the blog's address and an e-mail address on the cover of the booklet (send me an e-mail address and i will add you to the reader's list.)



Also I wanted to say huge thanks to William for the TNG master tapes.

A.

Williamtaylor1969
12-08-2010, 12:44 PM
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wbteeple002
12-08-2010, 03:04 PM
TNG music from first couple of seasons was the best. Later, the music mostly became dull generic crap. (wouldn't be surprised if that was Rick Berman's decision)

You would be correct. I don't have the book in front of me, but in Scott Bond's Music of Star Trek, he goes over exactly how that happened. In short, Rick Berman wanted the sound of the ships engines audible, which meant the music had to be muted. He also abhorred recurring themes. Dennis McCarthy was willing to comply, and Ron Jones wasn't. Thus, Star Trek, known for it's musical quality, took a distinct turn toward musical wallpaper for the next decade. He relaxed those restrictions over the years, but I think Star Trek's musical identity was indelibly marked. Jay Chattaway's single TNG album included a couple unused tracks from his first score that were deemed too energetic.

Au revoir,

Bill

ispalko070480
12-08-2010, 06:25 PM
Altovar.87, thank you so much for the DS9 scores! Can't wait to hear more.



Thanks,

Rob

Number Five
12-09-2010, 02:39 AM
(send me an e-mail address and i will add you to the reader's list.)
You don't seem to be able to receive PMs, but I would very much like to be added to the list if possible.

olafolaf
12-09-2010, 03:24 AM
Folks, the best sound converter you'll find is "switch". Download the demo, than convert it into the slim FREE version. It still converts all stuff
most reliably.

For best sound quality when listening to musik get APOLLO (freeware) and all it's plugins.

Trust me.

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Actuaaaally, there's lot's of people who use their real names on internet. Producer Don Murphy, writer Roberto Orci, "director" Michael Bay, huuuuuuuuge number of Facebook users... :)

You should write "writer Robert Orci" this way too: "writer" :P. All his stuff is lacking dramatic coherence, his payoffs are weak and builtups rushed. He's an admirer of William Goldstein but it doesn't show. Geesus, let Stirling Silliphant (e.g. The Poseidon Adventure; his screenplay is total literature) walk the earth again, that's what i call a WRITER.

Sorry if this appeared to be trolling but you didn't this delete THIS post from someone else either: "Fred Steiner is okay, just that he is narcissisic, self envolved, and thinks that he is a better composer than anyone else."

Figthing mediocrity any time. Olaf.

Altovar.87
12-09-2010, 08:15 AM
You don't seem to be able to receive PMs, but I would very much like to be added to the list if possible.

Hi!

That's why i uploaded the booklet - you can find my e-mail address on the cover. (i'm not sure if its allowed to post e-mails or links to other sites here)

ComicsJoe
12-09-2010, 03:52 PM
You should write "writer Robert Orci" this way too: "writer" :P. All his stuff is lacking dramatic coherence, his payoffs are weak and builtups rushed. He's an admirer of William Goldstein but it doesn't show. Geesus, let Stirling Silliphant (e.g. The Poseidon Adventure; his screenplay is total literature) walk the earth again, that's what i call a WRITER.


A typo. :D
It's quite bizarre how he and his hack buddy Kurtzman manage to find work. Even more bizarre that people swallow their crap and say "IT'S AWESOME!!! WOO!!!!". Star Trek 11 makes Star Trek 5 look like a masterpiece.

Williamtaylor1969
12-09-2010, 04:43 PM
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Number Five
12-09-2010, 05:14 PM
Hi!

That's why i uploaded the booklet - you can find my e-mail address on the cover. (i'm not sure if its allowed to post e-mails or links to other sites here)

Sorry...how stupid of me. :erm:

Have now emailed.

olafolaf
12-10-2010, 01:48 PM
Well i think it's because they are considered "reliable" as in "compromising", they are easy to have arround. It's always easy to have someone arround who hasn't to strong an opionion - or cochones. Result: Producers are happy. Audience is not :P

izbot
12-10-2010, 08:11 PM
How 'bout some more music?

Star Trek: The Next Generation: Face of the Enemy [Complete Score]
Don Davis

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War of the Worlds Audio Play
Directed by John de Lancie

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Star Trek: The Motion Picture 20th Anniversary Collectors’ Edition [2-disc box set]
Jerry Goldsmith and Gene Roddenberry

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A Star Beyond Time (Love Theme from Star Trek: The Motion Picture) [7" single]
Shaun Cassidy

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Star Trek Generations Expanded Edition
Dennis McCarthy

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Extreme Bob
Robert Picardo

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Ilia's Theme From Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Solo Piano Version) [Single]
Mark Northam

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Williamtaylor1969
12-10-2010, 11:25 PM
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izbot
12-11-2010, 12:27 AM
Then how 'bout a little quid pro quo: those TNG SFX files you mentioned??

Altovar.87
12-11-2010, 09:27 AM
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DS9 BOX 2:


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20-page booklet (pdf or jpg):

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Contains the following albums with re-arranged tracks, leveled volume, fixed tags:

DS9: S3E24 - Shakaar (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S4E08 - Little Green Men (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S4E21 - The Muse (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S5E07 - Let He Who Is Without Sin... (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S5E22 - Children Of Time (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S6E11 - Waltz (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S6E22 - Valiant (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S7E08 - The Siege Of AR-558 (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)
DS9: S7E21 - When It Rains... (Paul Baillargeon) (SFX)

Individual albums with separated tracks can be found on my blog (address in the booklet)

Williamtaylor1969
12-11-2010, 10:49 AM
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sadsack
12-11-2010, 10:59 AM
izbot, is your ST:NG FACE OF THE ENEMY upload the same as the one on Trekcore?

Altovar.87
12-11-2010, 11:08 AM
So then, these all have sound effects with the music?

William

Yes, Unfortunately. They are ripped from 5.1 audio dvd. The dialogue is removed, but the effects are mixed with the music, so the battle scenes are pretty much s*****d, but there are some nice clean tracks.

1shikawa
12-11-2010, 02:18 PM
Not sure what to make of the Shaun Cassiday track or the piano track as i diodn't even know they existed, so a huge THANK YOU from me.

Is Generation with SFX or without.

Cheers

BadAtom
12-11-2010, 02:29 PM
burnedout: Yes, it is the same as the the tracks on TrekCore, since I'm the one that posted it there. :)

As for the DS9 stuff, it's clear that a lot of effort was put into it, but DVD audio rips just aren't the same...

Sanico
12-11-2010, 03:07 PM
Well the vocal song of Ilia's theme from TMP is the most odd thing i've heard in a while :D

izbot
12-11-2010, 03:36 PM
Is Generation with SFX or without.

Cheers

Yes, as the album art states this is a fan-made DVD rip.

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Well the vocal song of Ilia's theme from TMP is the most odd thing i've heard in a while :D

The Shaun Cassidy single was released in the U.S. as a promo only. It was only distributed commercially in Japan. Sadly I have been unable (so far) to locate the B-side.

Here's another version -- this is Bob James' Theme from ST:TMP (probably my favorite cover version of a Trek theme) edited together (fan edit) with the Shaun Cassidy song. The sound quality is much better here but you only get a truncated version of A Star Beyond Time.

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Hehehehehe, I have not forgotten, they are coming!

William

I'm giving you a hard time, I know you'll come through!

Williamtaylor1969
12-12-2010, 11:17 AM
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ispalko070480
12-12-2010, 06:26 PM
Altovar.87 another famtastic share. Thank you, can't wait for the Voyager and Jay Chattaway Scores.




Rob

Sanico
12-12-2010, 07:32 PM
WHY?? I think that Shawn did a great job on this song! I was totally blown away when I first heard it!

William

:)

It's because i was so used to hear the original, that when i heard the vocal cover was kind of strange. It's not his voice, i think he has a fine voice, but the melody just don't work with a vocal in my opinion.

Now maybe i'm totally wrong, but wasn't the original TOS TV theme, supposed to be song with lyrics and such??

izbot
12-12-2010, 09:41 PM
:)
Now maybe i'm totally wrong, but wasn't the original TOS TV theme, supposed to be song with lyrics and such??

Yes, Roddenberry wrote lyrics for it so he could get 50% of the profits (I think that is actually covered in a conversation earlier in this or the other Trek thread). Nichelle Nichols recorded a version of the Theme with lyrics but these were different from the original Roddenberry lyrics. I know of only two or three artists who recorded the Roddenberry lyrics version. Jazz singer Judy Roberts did for her album You Are There back in the 70s (btw I am looking for a copy of this if anyone has it). I have a lounge album by a group called Project: Pimento that not only recorded the Theme with Gene's lyrics but they toss in a theremin as well! It's pretty neat. I'll post it here soon.

JonC
12-12-2010, 10:31 PM
It was never SUPPOSED to have lyrics. Roddenberry's fast one was pulled pretty far into development, and was never supposed to be the version to air. No official version with lyrics was ever recorded.
JonC

izbot
12-12-2010, 10:34 PM
It was never SUPPOSED to have lyrics. Roddenberry's fast one was pulled pretty far into development, and was never supposed to be the version to air. No official version with lyrics was ever recorded.
JonC

Right. The recordings that do exist were made years after the fact.

Williamtaylor1969
12-14-2010, 11:10 AM
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Ghostsoldier
12-14-2010, 12:14 PM
Damn if I'm not reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally curious as to who you are, William....:)
Rob

izbot
12-15-2010, 05:36 PM
I'm looking for the double LP "Genesis Project" by Craig Huxley (aka williamtaylor1969??) if anyone has it. Huxley (formerly Hundley) was a child actor who appeared in two eps of TOS and later got into music. I think he was in the orchestra Jerry Goldsmith conducted on TMP and invented an instrument used in the v'Ger scenes -- I forget what it's called (william?). He also provided the music for the Genesis Project proposal video in TWOK.

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Williamtaylor1969
12-15-2010, 07:18 PM
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sadsack
12-15-2010, 08:47 PM
John Williams?

Momaru
12-15-2010, 09:49 PM
It's called a "blaster beam" by the way.

I wonder why he went from "Hundley" to "Huxley"?

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Keith Lockhart? Though I know not if he's ever composed anything.

BadAtom
12-15-2010, 10:27 PM
I don't care if Williamtaylor1969 is the devil himself, so long as he keeps sharing these awesome musical rarities!

izbot
12-16-2010, 03:53 AM
Oh, PPPLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEEEEE!!! I am MUCH better looking than Craig, and a MUCH better composer and conductor! :)
But Craig is a nice person!

William

Lol! Well you're both close enough in age!

ComicsJoe
12-16-2010, 09:00 AM
Maybe William is... Elvis?

Williamtaylor1969
12-16-2010, 10:23 AM
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izbot
12-16-2010, 02:52 PM
Here are the first two volumes of a compilation series I've created. Well, to be fair the first volume was mostly compiled by the Franklin Mint blog but I added a few extra tracks, removed a repeated track and put together the composite album art. I'm working on a third volume presently. The first volume includes that theremin-and-lyrics version of the Alexander Courage theme I mentioned earlier in this thread (track 15).

Themes of Star Trek Volume 1
Various Artists

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1. Theme From Star Trek - Wonderland Space Shuttle (from Theme From Star Wars)
2. Star Trek Theme - Columbia Inside Star Trek Orchestra (Inside Star Trek)
3. Star Trek - Neil Norman (Greatest Science Fiction Hits vol. 1)
4. Theme From Star Trek - Meco (Music From Star Trek and The Black Hole)
5. Theme from Star Trek - Kings Road (Today's T.V. Hits)
6. Theme From Star Trek - The Galactic Force Band (Spaced Out Disco)
7. Theme From Star Trek - Deodato (Very Together)
8. Star Trek - The Ventures (T.V. Themes)
9. Star Trek - Cy Payne and His Orchestra (Children's TV Themes)
10. Theme from Star Trek - Geoff Love and His Orchestra (Star Wars and Other Space Themes)
11. Theme From Star Trek (Vocal Version) - Nichelle Nichols (Out of This World)
12. Theme From Star Trek - Henry Mancini (The Theme Scene)
13. Theme From Star Trek (Shatner voiceover version) - Alexander Courage (Television's Greatest Hits, Vol. 1)
14. Star Trek - London Theatre Orchestra (Cult TV Themes)
15. Theme from Star Trek (Vocal Version) - Project Pimento featuring Miss Lola Bombay (Magical Moods of the Theremin)
16. Theme From Star Trek - The Charles Randolph Grean Sounde (Leonard Nimoy Presents Mr. Spock's Music From Outer Space)

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Themes of Star Trek Volume 2
Various Artists

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1. Star Trek Theme - The Secret Agents (Mission Impossible Theme)
2. Star Trek - Jet Set Swe (From Sweden With Love)
3. Star Trek [Parachute Journey To The Planets] - Georgiana Stewart (A World of Parachute Play)
4. Theme from Star Trek - Van McCoy (The Hustle and Best of)
5. Theme from Star Trek - The Supertones (Cinema Surf)
6. Star Trekkin' - The Firm (Star Trekkin' single)
7. Star Trek TV Series Theme - MK (Exit Trance Presents Tokusatsu Trance 1)
8. Theme from Star Trek First Contact - Grady Nichols (Mysterious Intentions)
9. Star Trek - John Keating (Space Experience)
10. Theme from Star Trek - Koto (Plays Science Fiction Movie Themes)
11. Theme from Star Trek - Montefiori Cocktail (Raccolta No 1)
12. Theme from Star Trek - Phil Woods (Bouquet)
13. Theme from Star Trek - Warp Nine (Rockin' Memphis vol. 1)
14. Faith of the Heart (Theme from Enterprise) - Rod Stewart (Patch Adams Soundtrack)
15. Surf Trek - The Rubinoos (Paleophonic)
16. Star Trek Theme - Todd Rundgren and Utopia (Demos and Lost Albums)

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Well, I gotta tell you that the Dennis McCarthy stuff is not as impressive as Ron Jones' music. Every episode that I watched, and LOVED the music, turned out to be an episode that Ron had composed!

William

So you're Ron Jones then!

Honored General
12-16-2010, 05:30 PM
And so the quest continues....

sadsack
12-16-2010, 05:36 PM
Oh, PPPLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEEEEE!!! I am MUCH better looking than Craig)
William

...Yeoman Rand (Grace Lee Whitney)?

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Honored General
12-16-2010, 05:50 PM
LOLZ!!!!!!

ComicsJoe
12-17-2010, 04:33 PM
Maybe we should e-mail Ben Burtt and ask him from who he got ST sound effects? :)

izbot
12-17-2010, 04:35 PM
Maybe we should e-mail Ben Burtt and ask him from who he got ST sound effects? :)

Ok, which one of us is Ben Burtt?

Williamtaylor1969
12-17-2010, 05:45 PM
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JonC
12-17-2010, 06:18 PM
That picture's been floating around the net for a while, with or without a variety of quotes. (and no, it doesn't look that way in the show.)

Funny though.

JonC

izbot
12-17-2010, 06:43 PM
That picture's been floating around the net for a while, with or without a variety of quotes. (and no, it doesn't look that way in the show.)
JonC

I'm afraid you're wrong there. It looks exactly like that in the episode (What Are Little Girls Made Of?). Here are two unaltered screencaps. Check out the ep or more screencaps at Trekcore.com if you doubt it.

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JonC
12-17-2010, 08:57 PM
My bad.

izbot
12-18-2010, 01:45 AM
My bad.

Okay then.

ComicsJoe
12-18-2010, 10:11 AM
Either a simple case of pareidolia, or a risky joke by the someone from prop department.

Williamtaylor1969
12-18-2010, 10:38 AM
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grabthar
12-18-2010, 01:01 PM
Are you Bill Taylor of Illusion Arts by any chance?