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Kreachure
04-24-2008, 06:03 PM
(Yes, they changed the name of this thread. Yes, that's not the name I put for it. Yes, the irony is exquisite.)


Even though every other user who complains about this gets insulted and belittled by people here, this isn't a dumb complaint. In fact, I came here only to complain about this.

EXAMPLE 1: What if you titled your post "That Game soundtrack collection: release 1 and release 2" and a week later release 3 was available, so you can now put it in your beloved and hard-worked-on "That Game soundtrack collection" thread; except that people aren't going to know that you have release 3 on your thread because you don't have the title to show it.

EXAMPLE 2: What if you titled your post "Soundtrack CD", and you would've put by who it is but you don't know; and then someone told you who it was by, and you wanted to put it in your title, otherwise people aren't going to recognize the soundtrack from the title?

EXAMPLE 3: You made an embarassing typo. NOBODY IS PERFECT. IT HAPPENS.

God knows I would love to edit a title from one of my threads. I took my time to make a nice upload and a neat thread post, but since I didn't put "BY MICHAEL GIACCHINO" on the title, no one cared, and my thread will soon rot in the depths of the Download Links forum. This proves that people around here are reeled in by a title and not what is actually found in the thread (unless they actually search for it, but that's only for things they're actually looking for. What happens with new stuff people don't know about?)

Is it really that hard to put editable titles, and that easy to insult or ignore anyone who suggests it?

KREAYSHAWN
04-24-2008, 06:05 PM
pm an admin. maybe it will change in future, havent really considered it personally. it isnt a major thing for us, but we havemt had a policy of abuse towards people who have suggested it afaik. D;

by the way, i am like ten times less likely to do anything about this seeing as you are being such a demanding little ignorant jerk over something incredibly minor. =/

TM
04-24-2008, 06:07 PM
STILL WORKING ON IT!

lenneth
04-24-2008, 06:08 PM
no one cares much about the music/download forums tbqh.

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:09 PM
okay i fixed everything should be working

(i am undercover admin )

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 06:13 PM
Kreachure..your username, though it is spelt different, makes a mockery of the house elf. Therefore, you a are bastard. Shut up.

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 06:14 PM
There you go with the insults. Am I supposed to respond with insults directed at you now?

Didn't you just tell me to PM an admin? Was I supposed to expect you to do something until the moment you suddenly decided to call me names and tell me you won't do anything?

I'm being assertive because this was a concern for someone over 3 years ago, and yet no one has done anything.

I pray that admins don't have an attitude like yours, so I get a slim chance to get heard by someone who is actually willing to help around here. "=/"

Marceline
04-24-2008, 06:16 PM
I PAY GOOD MONEY FOR THIS SERVICE

SOMEBODY BETTER HELP ME

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:18 PM
WHERE IS MY SODA YOU ADMINISTRATION PEOPLE CHOP CHOP I AM NOT POSTING HERE FOR FREE!

TM
04-24-2008, 06:19 PM
NO YOU DON'T DESERVE IT!

KREAYSHAWN
04-24-2008, 06:21 PM
There you go with the insults. Am I supposed to respond with insults directed at you now?

Didn't you just tell me to PM an admin? Was I supposed to expect you to do something until the moment you suddenly decided to call me names and tell me you won't do anything?

I'm being assertive because this was a concern for someone over 3 years ago, and yet no one has done anything.

I pray that admins don't have an attitude like yours, so I get a slim chance to get heard by someone who is actually willing to help around here. "=/"

Bad news. I am an admin.

i don't see how I was insulting in my first post, I had a genuine point about your demeanour. It would take time to implement which way may not have, the very least you could do is be civil and consider that the admins might things to do outside of the forum. Once in a blue moon someone makes a typo in a thread title. Even less frequently they will ask one of us to correct it. It seem really, really unnecessary, so you will need to justify why we should add the hack.

I should have been less civil to you, actually, you were quite rude, whether you acknowledge/are aware of that or not.

lenneth
04-24-2008, 06:22 PM
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE OLD ADAGE

"THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT"???

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Kreachure. I was just pointing out that i liked Kreacher. And that your name was similar.


Also, if you want to seriously discuss this, you need to pm a member called

13 0 13

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:26 PM
CASSIE, YEAH!

WE NEED SOME REBEL ADMINS AND SOME GOOD ADMINS

IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT STORY

THE HEARTBREAKER DUO COMES IN AND SAYS NO AS MANDI PLEADS TO HIM TO HELP THE EVER LOVELY MEMBER

BUT DUO THAT BASTARD CHILD OF SATAN HE BANS HIM INSTEAD! THE PONY DREAM IS OVER!

WOW THIS STORY PRACTICALLY WRITES ITSELF!

TM
04-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Kreacher is very sorry Master.


Kreacher had to iron his hands ;-;

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:29 PM
can we pat an admin?

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:36 PM
Guys okay we need to suggest stuff for the thing of the story somebody post the mod list I am too lazy here will be the groups:

Good Admins (mods too_

Bad Admins (mods too_)

Mods who never post OUTSIDE OF FINAL FANTASY orneverpost(agent0042)

Regulars REBELLING AGAINST THE MACHINE
cassie garamond

Marshall Lee
04-24-2008, 06:44 PM
I PAY GOOD MONEY FOR THIS SERVICE

SOMEBODY BETTER HELP ME

/me gives Ndi a cookie ;)

Goren
04-24-2008, 06:47 PM
WHERE IS MY SODA YOU ADMINISTRATION PEOPLE CHOP CHOP I AM NOT POSTING HERE FOR FREE!

lol'd

Solaris
04-24-2008, 06:50 PM
More reasons as to why THE ADMINISTRATION is so evil ~

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 06:50 PM
Oh my God.

I was asking for help.

Just that.

Again, I was being assertive because people have already complained about it here in the past and you ended up insulting or ignoring their comments. I thought it would be different three years later but I was wrong.

And I know you are an admin. How you didn't say 'I'm an admin, maybe if you PM me or other admins so we can work out your thread's title change' or something along those lines is beyond me. Instead, you tell me that I should PM someone who is an admin but it's not you, cause you think I'm a jerk and you won't help me. And how am I supposed to take "such a demanding little ignorant jerk" if not as an insult? Isn't that rude enough for you?

I made 3 examples to try and justify my complaint, but it seems you skipped over those and decided you wouldn't help and say maybe you would anyways.

I asked if it really was that hard to implement, and you assumed I knew the answer to that. Well, no. I have no idea how hard it is to put something like that up. But judging by the fact that you did or said nothing about it for three years, it seems it doesn't matter anyways.

So thanks for the awesome replies. They helped me a lot. I can't really imagine how more rude they could've been, but if that's what you're used to being around here, then I apologize for assuming good faith, and for imagining that there were actually people willing to help a member of the community around here.

My bad.

Solaris
04-24-2008, 06:52 PM
I thought Alice Wonderbra was referring to the titles under our usernames and not titles of threads...

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 06:55 PM
holla!

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 06:55 PM
Its not hard in the long run kreachure. Im sure if it was really necessary, people just just pm an admin and ask politely.

TM
04-24-2008, 07:03 PM
I know exactly how you feel.


Don't worry we'll form a WBC rip-off and make signs that say "FFS EATS FECES" and "GOD HATES FFS"

Goren
04-24-2008, 07:04 PM
:( Once again TM

Marshall Lee
04-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Sir Spamalot...

Penguin
04-24-2008, 07:14 PM
Oh my God.

I was asking for help.

Just that.

Again, I was being assertive because people have already complained about it here in the past and you ended up insulting or ignoring their comments. I thought it would be different three years later but I was wrong.

And I know you are an admin. How you didn't say 'I'm an admin, maybe if you PM me or other admins so we can work out your thread's title change' or something along those lines is beyond me. Instead, you tell me that I should PM someone who is an admin but it's not you, cause you think I'm a jerk and you won't help me. And how am I supposed to take "such a demanding little ignorant jerk" if not as an insult? Isn't that rude enough for you?

I made 3 examples to try and justify my complaint, but it seems you skipped over those and decided you wouldn't help and say maybe you would anyways.

I asked if it really was that hard to implement, and you assumed I knew the answer to that. Well, no. I have no idea how hard it is to put something like that up. But judging by the fact that you did or said nothing about it for three years, it seems it doesn't matter anyways.

So thanks for the awesome replies. They helped me a lot. I can't really imagine how more rude they could've been, but if that's what you're used to being around here, then I apologize for assuming good faith, and for imagining that there were actually people willing to help a member of the community around here.

My bad.

wow your posts seem really snide

KREAYSHAWN
04-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Oh my God.

I was asking for help.

Just that.

You are not just asking for help. You are asking us - in a manner which you call "assertive" but which I call just plain rude - to change a feature of the board that affects very user. That is much more time consuming than just giving you a sentence of advise. It is also something we'd need to discuss, I am not convinced of it's usefulness, nor am I convinced that there is any demand.


Again, I was being assertive because people have already complained about it here in the past and you ended up insulting or ignoring their comments. I thought it would be different three years later but I was wrong.

I've already said this, but who has complained? Please link me to the complaints. Tell me who was rude and how.

You really don't have a right to be assertive about this. We don't work for you. We want the board to be better too, though, so we are open to suggestions from people who will demonstrate why a feature is beneficial and that there is a large demand for it, but you've failed to do so here. Please show us the demand. Please tell me why it would be useful - bearing in mind that, as I have said, I don't think anybody would actually use the feature given how infrequently typos in titles, etc., occur, and how few of those people even care enough to pm us to change said typos. So yes, people can make such typos, but it rarely seems to happen or bother people, basically making your original three points a whole lot less important. I thought that was obvious in my second post but evidently you want it spelled out. And <i>please</i> actually try to answer this stuff this time. Don't just call us all rude and act as if you have any right to have a chip on your shoulder over the quality of a completely free service.


And I know you are an admin. How you didn't say 'I'm an admin, maybe if you PM me or other admins so we can work out your thread's title change' or something along those lines is beyond me. Instead, you tell me that I should PM someone who is an admin but it's not you, cause you think I'm a jerk and you won't help me.

I said PM an admin. D: I didn't say I wouldn't help you, I just called you a jerk! And like I have said before, you are consistently acting like one. =/


And how am I supposed to take "such a demanding little ignorant jerk" if not as an insult? Isn't that rude enough for you?

But it's true.


I made 3 examples to try and justify my complaint, but it seems you skipped over those and decided you wouldn't help and say maybe you would anyways.

It might be nice. There's no demand aside from your fine self. The advantages are obvious, but it is potentially open to abuse, and as I said nobody else has actually asked for it.


I asked if it really was that hard to implement, and you assumed I knew the answer to that. Well, no. I have no idea how hard it is to put something like that up. But judging by the fact that you did or said nothing about it for three years, it seems it doesn't matter anyways.

Who asked for it three years ago? Link, please.


So thanks for the awesome replies. They helped me a lot. I can't really imagine how more rude they could've been, but if that's what you're used to being around here, then I apologize for assuming good faith, and for imagining that there were actually people willing to help a member of the community around here.

My bad.

God you are a douche. Stop being so bloody self righteous over the whether or not you can edit thread titles. We don't work for you. =/

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 07:21 PM
Does my story have potential y/n?

TM
04-24-2008, 07:22 PM
I am French hello!

Ego
04-24-2008, 07:25 PM
Kreachure is a racist, he's always like... IF YOU AREN'T A MEMBER OF THE BLACKS YOU ARE EVIL LOLOL

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 07:25 PM
I am white!

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Mama Mia..itsa spicey meataballa

TM
04-24-2008, 07:28 PM
FTR editing thread titles would be a complete mess.

Marshall Lee
04-24-2008, 07:28 PM
I am French hello!


Ca va? J'espre que tu vas bien!

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 07:29 PM
master you were mod for a second but then they removed you

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 07:30 PM
"Users should be able to change thread listing thread titles" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=35435&highlight=title+change), 01-04-2007.

"How can I..." (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=27522&highlight=title+change) 12-08-2005

"tread renaming" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=8621&highlight=title+change), 01-14-2003.

"Oi! Over Here! Would Like Some Help Please!" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=5153&highlight=title+change), 04-30-2002. (My bad. Not three years. SIX YEARS.)



You can find rude people in at least the first thread.

And the fact that you think I'm a jerk and call me so is the very definition of an insult.

TM
04-24-2008, 07:30 PM
Va te faire foutre, mangez la merde et vous mourez piqre

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 07:31 PM
Give it up.

Marshall Lee
04-24-2008, 07:33 PM
Give it up.

I should :(

Goren
04-24-2008, 07:33 PM
hmm... You have no reason in posting these stuff Kreachure...




Troll is Successful

TM
04-24-2008, 07:35 PM
Donnez-le vers le haut

Marceline
04-24-2008, 07:37 PM
"Users should be able to change thread listing thread titles" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=35435&highlight=title+change), 01-04-2007.

"tread renaming" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=8621&highlight=title+change), 01-14-2003.

"Oi! Over Here! Would Like Some Help Please!" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=5153&highlight=title+change), 04-30-2002. (My bad. Not three years. SIX YEARS.)

You can find rude people in at least the first thread.

And the fact that you think I'm a jerk and call me so is the very definition of an insult.

1 year ago, someone with 39 posts makes a thread about thread renaming and tells users to post if they agree. No one does.

5 years ago, someone asks how to re-title threads and quickly gets an answer from an admin.

6 years ago, someone asks for a thread to be retitled- an admin does. They thank them happily.

YOU MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 07:40 PM
No, simplifying things like that doesn't make you right. The complaints were made. And in at least two threads the askers got insulted for no reason. That was the point for me to post the links.

Please look at those threads, Belle.

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 07:43 PM
Okay, will do.


Stella Artois

KREAYSHAWN
04-24-2008, 07:46 PM
"Users should be able to change thread listing thread titles" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=35435&highlight=title+change), 01-04-2007.

"tread renaming" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=8621&highlight=title+change), 01-14-2003.

"Oi! Over Here! Would Like Some Help Please!" (http://forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=5153&highlight=title+change), 04-30-2002. (My bad. Not three years. SIX YEARS.)

You can find rude people in at least the first thread.

Interesting. Let's examine those threads. First thread: one person says we need such a feature. Three people say it is unnecessary. In the other three. threads nobody actually asks for the feature, they just asked how they can change title. In respone, others told them how to do so. Nobody even said "well that sure is awkward because it happens to us regularly, it would be nice if we could come up with some other arrangement". They didn't even find the current arrangement unsatisfactory!

How much popular demand for this is there, then? 2 out of 200,000 members asked for this. 0.000001% of registered users. Earliest actual <i>request</i>: 2007. No real argument made for it either. And you are honestly telling us that this is something urgent? Something which matters to users? Because that isn't the case, and it is ridiculous to expect this to be on the top of the admins agenda, nevermind to demand that we implement it in such a snide, arrogant way before decrying every criticism of your demeanour as terrible rudness and oppression. It's a topic which almost never comes up.


And the fact that you think I'm a jerk and call me so is the very definition of an insult.

I can't be held accountable if the truth hurts. <3

EDIT: beaten 2 da punch by my buddy ndi :*


No, simplifying things like that doesn't make you right. The complaints were made. And in at least two threads the askers got insulted for no reason. That was the point for me to post the links.

Please look at those threads, Belle.

She didn't simplify. She made a very valid point: only one of those threads was actually a complaint. That's central to your argument!

Goren
04-24-2008, 07:47 PM
Did you even want a thread change???

If no this was pointless

TM
04-24-2008, 07:49 PM
You do realise just because you want the ability to edit thread names, it doesn't mean the admins need to do it at all. You can go on about us being rude all you like, but you're the one who has tried to demand something of the admins.

I tried to request that posts be deleted, I came over as too demanding and the admins felt like I was trying to order them about, you can't show the slightest hint of feeling like the admins HAVE to do this. THEY WILL NOT DO IT, look at the idiot who wants to be perma banned, he demanded to be banned and the admins refuse to do so. The same applies here.


And look at this from our point of view, if we allowed thread names to be edited by everyone, it would be total chaos.

Penguin
04-24-2008, 07:52 PM
Belle asked for these. The rest of you can keep posting barely coherent and irrelevant things as you like.

The ocean sunfish, Mola mola, or common mola is the heaviest bony fish in the world, with an average weight of 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb). The species is native to tropical and temperate waters around the globe. It resembles a fish head without a tail, and its main body is flattened laterally. Sunfish can be as tall as they are long, when their dorsal and anal fins are extended.

Sunfish live on a diet that consists mainly of jellyfish. As this diet is nutritionally poor, they consume large amounts in order to develop and maintain their great bulk. Females of the species can produce more eggs than any other known vertebrate. Sunfish fry resemble miniature pufferfish, with large pectoral fins, a tail fin and body spines uncharacteristic of adult sunfish.

Adult sunfish are vulnerable to few natural predators, but sea lions, orcas and sharks will consume them. Among humans, sunfish are considered a delicacy in some parts of the world, including Japan and Taiwan, but sale of their flesh is banned in the European Union.[1] Sunfish are frequently, though accidentally, caught in gillnets, and are also vulnerable to harm or death from encounters with floating trash, such as plastic bags.

A member of the order Tetraodontiformes which includes pufferfish, porcupinefish and filefish, the sunfish shares many traits common to members of this order. It was originally classified as Tetraodon mola under the pufferfish genus, but it has since been given its own genus, Mola, with two species under it. The ocean sunfish, Mola mola, is the type species of the genus.
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* 1 Naming and taxonomy
* 2 Description
o 2.1 Fins
o 2.2 Skin
* 3 Range and behavior
o 3.1 Feeding
o 3.2 Life cycle
* 4 Human interaction
o 4.1 Sunfish in captivity
* 5 Notes and references
* 6 External links
o 6.1 Research and info
o 6.2 Images and videos

Naming and taxonomy

Many of the sunfish's various names allude to its unique flattened shape. Its specific name, mola, is Latin for "millstone", which the fish resembles because of its grey color, rough texture, and rounded body. Its common English name, sunfish, refers to the animal's habit of "sunbathing" at the surface of the water. The Portuguese-, French-, Spanish- and German-language names, respectively peixe lua, poisson lune, pez luna and Mondfisch, mean "moon fish", in reference to its rounded shape. In German, the fish is also known as Schwimmender Kopf, or "swimming head", because it has no true tail. Some Taiwanese refer to it as the "toppled car fish" for its tendency to lie on its side while sunbathing. In Taiwan's Hualien County, where sunfish are featured as the official mascot, they are known as the "mambo fish" for their swimming motions.

The ocean sunfish has various obsolete binomial synonyms, and was originally classified in a pufferfish genus, as Tetraodon mola.[2] [3] It is now placed under its own genus, Mola, with two species under it: Mola mola and Mola ramsayi. The ocean sunfish, Mola mola, is the type species of the genus.[4]

The Mola genus belongs to the Molidae family. This family comprise 3 genera: Masturus, Mola and Ranzania. The common name "sunfish" without qualifier is used to describe the Molidae marine family as well as the freshwater sunfishes in the family Centrarchidae which are unrelated to Molidae. On the other hand, the name "ocean sunfish" and "mola" refer only to the family Molidae.[5]

The Molidae family belongs to the order Tetraodontiformes, which includes pufferfish, porcupinefish and filefish. It shares many traits common to members of this order, including the four fused teeth that form the characteristic beak and give the order its name (tetra=four, odous=tooth, and forma=shape). Indeed, sunfish larvae resemble spiky pufferfish more than they resemble adult molas.[6]

Description
A sunfish caught in 1910, with an estimated weight of 3,500 pounds (1,600 kg)
A sunfish caught in 1910, with an estimated weight of 3,500 pounds (1,600 kg)

The ocean sunfish resembles a fish head without a tail. Its caudal fin is replaced by a rounded clavus, creating the body's distinct shape. The main body is flattened laterally, giving it a long oval shape when seen head-on. The pectoral fins are small and fan-shaped. However, the dorsal fin and the anal fin are lengthened, often making the fish as tall as it is long. Specimens up to 3.2 metres (10.5 ft) in height have been recorded.[7]

The ocean sunfish has an average length of 1.8 metres (5.9 ft), and an average weight of 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb),[5] although individuals up to 3.3 metres (10.8 ft) in length[7] and weighing up to 2,300 kilograms (5,100 lb)[8] have been observed.

The spinal column of M. mola contains fewer vertebrae and is shorter in relation to the body than that of any other fish.[9] The spinal cord of a specimen measuring 2.1 metres (7 ft). in length is under 25 millimetres (1 in) long.[10] Even though sunfish descended from bony ancestors, its skeleton actually contains largely cartilage tissues which is lighter than true bone and allows it to grow to sizes uneconomical for other bony fishes.[9] [10]

The sunfish lacks a swim bladder.[9] Some sources indicate that the internal organs contain a concentrated neurotoxin, tetrodotoxin, like the organs of other poisonous tetraodontiformes,[8] while others dispute this claim.[11]

Fins
The dorsal fin of a sunfish, sometimes mistaken for that of a shark
The dorsal fin of a sunfish, sometimes mistaken for that of a shark

In the course of its evolution, the caudal fin (tail) of the sunfish disappeared, to be replaced by a lumpy pseudo-tail, the clavus. This structure is formed by the convergence of the dorsal and anal fins.[12][13] The smooth-denticled clavus retains twelve fin rays,[14] and terminates in a number of rounded ossicles.[15] Without a true tail to provide thrust for forward motion and equipped with only small pectoral fins, Mola mola relies on its long, thin dorsal and anal fins for propulsion, driving itself forward by moving these fins from side to side.[10]

Ocean sunfish often swim near the surface, and their protruding dorsal fins are sometimes mistaken for those of sharks.[16] However, it is possible to distinguish a shark from a sunfish, by observing the trajectory made by the dorsal fin on the surface, while the fish itself moves underwater and remains unseen. Sharks, like most fish, swim by waving the tail sideways while keeping the dorsal fin moving in a straight line. The sunfish, on the other hand, swings its dorsal fin and anal fin in its characteristic sculling motion. Thus, the sideways movement of the dorsal fin on the surface can be used to identify the sunfish.[17]

Skin
M. mola in typical swimming position
M. mola in typical swimming position

Adult sunfish range from brown to silvery-gray or white, with a variety of mottled skin patterns; some of these patterns may be region-specific.[5] Coloration is often darker on the dorsal surface, fading to a lighter shade ventrally as a form of counter-shading camouflage. Mola mola also exhibits the ability to vary skin coloration from light to dark, especially when under attack.[5] The skin, which contains large amounts of reticulated collagen, can be up to 3 inches (7.6 cm) thick on the ventral surface, and is covered by denticles and a layer of mucus instead of scales. The skin on the clavus is smoother than that on the body, where it can be as rough as sandpaper.[9]

More than 40 species of parasites may reside on the skin and internally, motivating the fish to seek relief in a number of ways.[5] [14] In temperate regions, drifting kelp fields harbor cleaner wrasses and other fish which remove parasites from the skin of visiting sunfish. In the tropics, the mola will solicit cleaner help from reef fishes. By basking on its side at the surface, the sunfish also allows seabirds to feed on parasites from their skin. Sunfish have been reported to breach more than ten feet above the surface, possibly as another effort to dislodge parasites on the body.[16][18]

Range and behavior
M. mola exhibiting its characteristic horizontal basking behavior
M. mola exhibiting its characteristic horizontal basking behavior

Ocean sunfish are native to the temperate and tropical waters of every ocean in the world.[9] Mola genotypes appear to vary widely between the Atlantic and Pacific, but genetic differences between individuals in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres are minimal.[19]

Sunfish are pelagic and swim at depths of up to 600 metres (2,000 ft). Contrary to the general perception that sunfish spend much of their time basking at the surface, research suggests that adult M. mola actually spend a large portion of their lives submerged at depths greater than 200 metres (700 ft), occupying both the epipelagic and mesopelagic zones.[20] They usually stay in water warmer than 10 C (50 F).[20] In fact, prolonged periods spent in water at temperatures of 12C (53 F) or lower can lead to disorientation and eventual death.[17] Researchers theorize that the basking behavior at the surface may be a method of "thermally recharging" following dives into deeper, colder water.[19] Others point to sightings of the fish in colder waters such as those southwest of England outside of its usual habitat as evidence of increasing marine temperatures.[21]

Sunfish are usually found alone, but occasionally in pairs or in large groups while being cleaned.[9] They swim primarily in open waters, but are sometimes seen near kelp beds taking advantage of resident populations of smaller fish which remove ectoparasites from their skin. Because sunfish must consume a large volume of prey, their presence in a given area may be used as an indicator of nutrient-rich waters where endangered species may be found.[9]

Feeding

The diet of the ocean sunfish consists primarily of various jellyfish (similar to the diet of a leatherback turtle). But it also consumes salps, comb jellies, zooplankton, squid, crustaceans, small fishes, fish larvae, and eel grass.[10] This diet is nutritionally poor, forcing the sunfish to consume large amount of food in order to maintain its size.[17] The range of food items found inside sunfish indicates that the sunfish feeds at many levels, from the surface to deep water, and occasionally down to the seafloor in some areas.[5]

The sunfish can spit out and pull in water through its small mouth to tear apart soft-bodied prey.[10] Its teeth are fused into a beak-like structure, allowing it to break up harder organisms.[8] In addition, pharyngeal teeth located in the throat grind food into smaller pieces before passing them to the stomach.[10]

Life cycle
A sunfish fry, which still possesses spines that will later disappear
A sunfish fry, which still possesses spines that will later disappear

Ocean sunfish may live up to ten years in captivity, but their lifespan in a natural habitat has not yet been determined.[16] Their growth rate is also indeterminate. However, it is known that a young specimen at the Monterey Bay Aquarium increased in weight from 26 kg (57 lb) to 399 kg (880 lb) and reached a height of nearly 1.8 m (6 ft) in fifteen months.[17]

The sheer size and thick skin of an adult of the species deters many smaller predators, but younger individuals are vulnerable to predation by bluefin tuna and mahi mahi. Adults are consumed by sea lions, orcas and sharks.[9] Sea lions appear to hunt sunfish for sport, tearing the fins off, tossing the body around, and then simply abandoning the still-living but helpless fish to die on the seafloor.[5][17]

The mating practices of the ocean sunfish are poorly understood, but spawning areas have been suggested in North Atlantic, South Atlantic, North Pacific, South Pacific, and Indian Oceans.[9] Females can produce as many as 300 million eggs at a time, more than any other known vertebrate.[5] Sunfish eggs are released into the water and externally fertilized by sperm.[22]

Newly-hatched sunfish larvae are only one-tenth of an inch long. They grow to become fry, and those which survive grow many millions of times their original size before reaching adult proportions.[10] Sunfish fry, with large pectoral fins, a tail fin and body spines uncharacteristic of adult sunfish, resemble miniature pufferfish, their close relatives in the evolutionary tree.[22][23] Young sunfish school for protection, but this behavior is abandoned as they grow.[24]

Human interaction

Despite their size, ocean sunfish are docile, and pose no threat to human divers.[15] Areas where they are commonly found are popular destination for sport dives, and sunfish at some locations have reportedly become familiar with divers.[8] In fact, the fish is more threatening to boaters than swimmers, as its immense size and weight can cause significant damage when impacted by watercraft. Collisions with sunfish may cause damage to the hull of a boat,[25] and their bodies can become lodged in the propellers of larger ships.[26]
A dish made with the meat of the ocean sunfish
A dish made with the meat of the ocean sunfish

The flesh of the ocean sunfish is considered a delicacy in some regions, the largest markets being Taiwan and Japan. All parts of the sunfish are used in cuisine, from the fins to the internal organs.[11] Some parts of the fish are used in some areas of traditional medicine.[8]

Sunfish are accidentally but frequently caught in drift gillnet fisheries, making up nearly 30% of the total catch of the swordfish fishery employing drift gillnet in California.[10] The by-catch rate is even higher for the Mediterranean swordfish industry, with 71% to 90% of the total catch being sunfish.[11][24]

The fishery, bycatch and destruction of ocean sunfish is unregulated worldwide. In some areas, the fish are "finned" by fishermen who regard them as worthless bait thieves. This process, in which the fins are cut off, results in the eventual death of the fish, because it can no longer propel itself without its dorsal and anal fins.[27] The species is also threatened by floating trash such as plastic bags which resemble jellyfish, its main diet. Bags can choke and suffocate an individual or fill its stomach to the extent that it starves.[16]

Many areas of sunfish biology remain poorly understood, and various research efforts are underway, including aerial surveys of mola populations,[28] satellite surveillance using pop-off satellite tags,[28][11] genetic analysis of tissue samples,[11] and collection of amateur sighting data.[29] Recent studies indicate a decrease in sunfish populations that may be caused by more frequent bycatch and the increasing popularity of sunfish in human diet.[9]

Sunfish in captivity
A tank at the Monterey Bay Aquarium provides a size comparison between an ocean sunfish and humans
A tank at the Monterey Bay Aquarium provides a size comparison between an ocean sunfish and humans

Sunfish are not widely held in aquarium exhibits, due to the unique and demanding requirements of their care. Some Asian aquariums display them, particularly in Japan.[17] The Kaiyukan Aquarium in Osaka, Japan is one of few aquariums with mola on display, where it is reportedly as popular an attraction as the larger whale sharks.[30] The Lisbon Oceanarium in Portugal is another aquarium where sunfish are showcased in the main tank.[31]

The first ocean sunfish to be held in an aquarium in the United States arrived at the Monterey Bay Aquarium in August of 1986.[32] Because sunfish had not been kept in captivity on a large scale before, the staff at Monterey Bay were forced to innovate and create their own methods for capture, feeding, and parasite control. By 1998, these issues were overcome, and the aquarium was able to hold a specimen for more than a year, later releasing it after its weight increased by more than fourteen times.[17] Mola mola have since become a permanent feature of the Outer Bay exhibit.[10]

As the ocean sunfish is not highly maneuverable, preventing specimens from injuring themselves by rubbing against the walls of a tank is of major concern to aquarists.[30] In a smaller tank, hanging a vinyl curtain has been used as a stopgap measure to convert a cuboid tank to a rounded shape and prevent the fish from scraping against the sides. A more effective solution is simply to provide enough room for the sunfish to swim in wide circles.[17] The tank must also be sufficiently deep to accommodate the vertical height of the sunfish, which can be nearly as tall as it is long, and may reach a height of 3.2 metres (10.5 ft).[7]

Feeding captive sunfish in a tank with other faster-moving, more aggressive fish can also present a challenge. Eventually, the fish can be taught to feed from the end of a pole or from human hands.[17]

Goren
04-24-2008, 07:55 PM
Wow I learn something new everyday thanks Misty. :)

TM
04-24-2008, 07:56 PM
And so, the wikipedia posting begins...

RikkuYunaRinoa
04-24-2008, 07:57 PM
I see. Interesting

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 08:08 PM
I never said it was urgent. I only said it should be possible (as in "thread titles should be editable!!!", remember that title?). And of course thread titles would only be editable by the posters of the thread, that's the norm in many other forums!

I never expected admins to 'grant my bidding' like you claim I did, that's just not fair. And I didn't say that an overwhelming percentage of members asked for this, I just said that some did and you didn't believe me. Now I got the proof and you say "Oh, but that's just 0.000001% of all members! So who cares!"

Then what's the point of pretending to listen to feedback in this forum? So you don't care about what people say unless they're backed up by 50.9% of all other users?

You asked where people had been previously insulted trying to mention the title change option, and there you have it. No opinions about that, huh? Too busy insulting me to reply about that? Notice how I never insulted you or anyone else here, yet you keep going at it.

Yes, my post might have come out more rude than it sounded in my mind, but it was because I was somehow expecting insults and neglect like it happened with those previous posts. And where are we right now, I ask?

And yes, I wanted a thread title change. I explained that. I simply thought it was more convenient to have the option to do so like in many other forums, instead of having the need to PM an admin to do it for you. But you know, that idea is subject of laughter and insult here, go figure.

TM
04-24-2008, 08:10 PM
IT'S NOT FAIR

KREAYSHAWN
04-24-2008, 08:15 PM
One member asked for it. I don't count that as "some". 50%? No. Hell, even a <i>handful</i> wouldn't be so bad. You were very demanding in your original post. One or two people were insulting about in those responses. What of it? Does that bolster your argument somehow?

You have insulted me numerous times, you just refuse to acknowledge it. Anyways, I've started a topic in the staff forum, but I doubt there will be any changes, there simply isn't the demand.

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Belle can I have my own section nobody else can post in but can see?

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Thank you for considering my complaint, Belle. That's all I wanted. (And I do hope you're sincere about posting this subject on the staff forum.)

Showing you the people getting insulted was important so you could understand why I was being so aggressive off the bat. And if you feel I insulted you somehow, I'm sorry. I would've said sorry even if you hadn't considered my comments at all, because I don't like insulting people who don't deserve it.

Thanks again. I'm sure this could've been much smoother for everyone, but what's done is done, and people even had quite a laugh at my expense, so it's not all a loss ;) .

I love FFShrine. That's all I have to say in the end.

TM
04-24-2008, 08:32 PM
free kobe

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Kreachure you are a much better poster than The Master.

Personally I would agree with you to a certain extend but then some people (like The Master) would act like morons and constantly change threads titles for fun. Of course, since nobody ever reads his threads, it wouldn't make a difference.

TM
04-24-2008, 08:45 PM
I said earlier that the idea is bad because it would be chaotic, if such a thing was in place, I would only change if there was a silly typo.

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 08:48 PM
You could always have a post limit to change it or something or just ban people like you from doing it.

There are ways to implement it effectively if needed but it isn't something essential.

Kreachure
04-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Or you could just make the title modifiable only by the thread starter (the same way only you can edit your own posts and no one else), which is what other forums have. No chaos, no complications.

kbye

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 08:54 PM
I think that's how it would be done if it was ever implemented, it's just a thread called "hi i like pie" could be changed to "EVERYBODY POSTING IN HERE IS A PROSTITUTE" by somebody like The Master, who is a big moron.

I more or less think it's something that could be helpful but not really needed.

Not a bad idea just not one like a Phoenix Wright section if you know what I mean (Phoenix Wright is awesome)

lenneth
04-24-2008, 09:52 PM
maybe its purpose would be used for good reasons in the music thread, but everywehre else it would be abused to hell and back. like PW said.

J. Peterman
04-24-2008, 09:53 PM
Cassie you should be admin

execrable gumwrapper
04-24-2008, 09:54 PM
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