music that may NOT be posted for legal reasons

[Sarah]

right now it just includes music from two steps from hell but this may expand in the future.

please let me know if there are any two steps from hell links on the forums. thanks.

nothing released by the RIAA may be posted. this includes (among others) anything by Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group, Universal Music Group, and EMI.

Edit: Music from the composer Clinton Shorter is not to be posted on the forums.

edit: nothing from the Varese Sarabande label can be posted. this includes a lot of film/tv soundtracks, so please double check.

[byblo]

So, the server today wasn't reachable not for a simple technical reason ? :/

[momohan]

I'm surprised this isn't stickied, but maybe that's to prevent everyone from freaking out.

[Simon B.]

ok Sarah, i keep my eyes open,
i try to help if i can of course!

[Domingo]

Is that actually why the site went down? Or did I miss something?

[Sarah]

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.

[licenturion]

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.
What an assholes. Trying to bring a whole community down with lot's of people for only 2 working links...

[dkj]

What an assholes. Trying to bring a whole community down with lot's of people for only 2 working links...

Sadly, that's the extent of their knowledge on how these things work.

[SeiShoujoLolita]

That sounded so barbaric.

[OrangeC]

Sometimes i just wish to be a mod of this place.

[Blackworm]

Administrator, I apologize if this is the wrong place to post this but I noticed many people have been looking for music from Pokemon Battle Revolution, of which you were able to find none.

I have found enough (all I think) necessary songs from the game, and see that it might be more useful to everyone if you could put them up on GH (as well as the fact I don't like to get tangled up in file upload sites) so that no one needs to look around anymore. I'll send the .zip to you if you wish; just let me know.

[Shadow2100]

I love this site but i'm willing to bet that one day all the disgusting corporations who own all this music will come here and demand this place be shut down, for "legal reasons". All in all though, this site is by far the best place for music and I hope it never shuts down.

[Palawelis]

I love this site but i'm willing to bet that one day all the disgusting corporations who own all this music will come here and demand this place be shut down, for "legal reasons". All in all though, this site is by far the best place for music and I hope it never shuts down.

I am really afraid of that... Let's hope not /pray

[RobinSure]

Of course, they ARE perfectly entitled to request music be taken down. This is completely illegal. Now, of course, people can rationalise it to themselves-I know I only get music that I plan on buying when I actually have money, but you can't claim in any way that this is 'right'.

[Captain Dolce]

Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn't accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate...

The world turns into a worse place every day.

[mr.garibaldi]

Hi my dear friends. This is really a great forum to get very good game and movie music with extreme rarities. But some posts are ded since a long time I think. I am still lookin for the promo scores of STUART LITTLE 3 and INSPECTOR GADGET 2. They were in this forum. Hope you or someone else can help me. thanks a lot my dear friends. keep well.

[Captain Dolce]

Wrong thread to post requests, "my dear friend". LURK MOAR NAO.

[mixmeister81]

right now it just includes music from two steps from hell but this may expand in the future.

please let me know if there are any two steps from hell links on the forums. thanks.

Hello, I read your topic, I would like to known If I am doing wrong posting my cds that I like soo much, I only want to share my music that I like so everybody can have it too, I am not looking to have any profit only make other members happy, I own the cd's they are original not fakes. not bottlegs, I bought them, I didn't want to break any rule from here But I really want to know what to do, So I can't get in trouble.

[Mr Muay Thai]

You can share your stuff. Everyone else is doing it.

[Arkhetype]

There is no moral approach to music. Music is free to all. I do not feel right or wrong for doing it. Its everyones to enjoy. I buy cds all the time. Iam not going to pay some outrageous price for a cd with 18 songs and one is good. The real good music is not well known so its hard to find. If Borders in OH-10 sold Fat Jon/Nujabes cds then I would buy them.

[Ryu Saarva]

There is no moral approach to music. Music is free to all. I do not feel right or wrong for doing it. Its everyones to enjoy. I buy cds all the time. Iam not going to pay some outrageous price for a cd with 18 songs and one is good. The real good music is not well known so its hard to find. If Borders in OH-10 sold Fat Jon/Nujabes cds then I would buy them.

I have same feelings about movies because I don´t really enjoy them..but I love music and I hate and loathe music thieves...and I happily pay 40 euros from a single cd.

[V Guyver]

Well this is technically illegal. SO we should respect the wishes of those who don't want their music or the companies that own the rights to them uploaded here. But really, it does have it's benefits to the artists and we hear music we otherwise would never of come across. I had no idea that some of the old Romance of the Three Kingdoms music was done by Yoko Kanno.

Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I've even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven't really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd's and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can't be found in 99% of the local stores.

Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.

Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd's... there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.

One thing to note though, I don't believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn't gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3's and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It's gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.

[Chloe43]

I'm basically with V Guyver on this. Yes, this is technically illegal, but this is a very challenged market outside Japan. I try to buy my music; however, the prices are a bit higher than most, and there's also the whole issue of importing. I simply try to support whatever artists I can, though my finances are limiting in this regard. Still, I do own two soundtracks, with two more on the way, all thanks to this site.

[z0z0]

As far as I'm concerned, when music is treated like nothing more than a product, it tarnishes the dignity of music in general. CDs, vinyl, DVDs, etc. are product; if you want to have the convenience of having an actual copy with artwork and all, then I understand shelling out money. However, I firmly believe the artists should get a much greater cut of the profit than they generally get. That's why I rarely feel bad downloading my music.

Funny thing is, I download loads of music, (nearly have 1 TB total, lol) but I also have loads of CDs (over 2,100), and I nearly break myself going to shows and such. I suppose any measure of guilt should depend on the person's level of fanaticism toward music in general. A lot of the stuff I download is OOP or more expensive than I can care to deal with, but I love having actual copies just as much as (sometimes much more than) I love having only MP3s. I'm pretty much just addicted to music, lol.

[J. Peterman]

In my opinion everybody is super sonic racing.

[mr. newbie]

Thank you for the piercing accuracy Mr. Wright. And on that note, aren't we all Living in the City?

[J. Peterman]

Mr. Newbie yes we are!

It is because nothing in this world comes for free.

[Chloe43]

There is one rule in life that always rings ever-so-true: Don't be an ass.

[Antraxx]

I always say, if you bought the game in the first place, you have every right to get the music free, since it's in the game anyways.

Of course sometimes they go out of their way to include extra arrange tracks or something... bu I dunno that's a personal moral call everyone has to decide on.

However I'd be perfectly happy with paying a normal price for a game soundtrack, but we all know that once it gets to America there's all sorts of import charges that rape you.

It's largely not our fault, some of these albums are so frustratingly hard to track down, why should we feel bad when we at least TRIED to get the legit thing?

Anyway I'm new here. I've always browsed through this site every so often, but never understood what it was all about. But I see a whole bunch of intelligent people that just want to share their love for VGM. And I can totally appreciate and relate to that.

[V Guyver]

I like your opinion and it makes total sense. I've tried getting a good number of OST's only to learn that I'd have to pay over double, sometimes triple the normal retail amount just to get them. Most of the OST's I own are from the game I have, and I can rip most of it myself off the game, but prefer the Cd's. Problem is that in court, no one would give a damn, and thus rip us a new hole in both or geeky behinds, and our wallets.

Just be glad we are often the most ignored legal infringement group, because we aren't criminals, just music lovers of anime and games and material not easy to come by. It's much more different then actual movie and videogame piracy which costs billions to the companies. At most we only cut into a few thousand bucks worth of music overall. We barely hit even a fraction of a percentage of the music market. So long as we avoid posting music of people who aware of us and don't want us to such as Yngwie Malmsteen and other big name artists, then they'll turn a blind eye.

[Kreachure]

Sarah (and others who might care):

You might want to take a look at this post on a recent "Video Games Live: Vol 1" thread:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Straight from the horse's mouth, if I may say so.

[thejoyrider]

i dont see the point.
musicians get paid regardless when the game was made. people buy the games anyway so they all get their royalties through that.

downloading mp3 from a game doesnt influence or effect the sale of a game. i dont see how this bothers muscians other than their ego. this is completely different from downloading an album by a band cause that does effect their sales.

this goes the same with movies. if you d/l superman soundtrack it doesnt hurt john williams. he was paid $ millions by the movie studio to make it and also recieves royalties everytime its played on radio, tv, and other medias. when you buy the dvd, in part you own that property. so is there a harm in downloading the soundtrack no?

i see jack walls point on the vgl album. thats a live album effort based on non original music. him and tommy wont recieve royalties cause the music was by other people. however for another example, mass effect by the same guy isnt an issue. i own the 360 game. so whats the point in buying the ost? the guy got paid and his money from the game developer as well my game purchase.

discuss.

[CATASTROPHE]

one question, WHAT THE HELL IS TWO STEPS FROM HELL? /CRUISE CONTROL

[StarMan_DeeLux]

So that's when VGL Vol. 1 is coming out. I recently went to my first VGL and must own that.

I wouldn't download that for the same reason I won't pirate small time bands I like that much and the like. I want them to receive the sales so they will want to make another album. In fact...now that I just realized the Tron, Halo, and Castlevania Rock suites are on there...*clicks preorder* Take that, Jack Wall. I just preordered it. Wait, no, that's a good thing.

[Toasty07]

Everybody is just out for money, no matter the excuse. It's all obviously for money. We have yet to hear a explaination on what we are doing is "damaging" to them, that's all I'm curious about. What are we damaging? They never explain that, all they do is remind us about what rules we're breaking, but never do they specify what's damaged. A bunch of BS, I say.

I don't think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it'd be a whole different field. I don't think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That's it.

To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn't be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we're all not rich either.

[cortythemighty]

Evidently, The Dark Knight is two steps from hell.

[Chloe43]

This market is starved, and if they don't want to cater to it, it finds other ways. That being said I do buy albums, albeit at a slow pace.

[drakerafe]

it was related to it but it wasn't the only reason. kind of complicated.



a kind of complicated reason huh?.
I see ... u will be married soon =) ... hmm ... GOD BLESS U




so what else?

There are still exists manga comic (with translated) website
There are still exists manga movie website (mpeg1 size until dvd version download)
There are still exists Videoclip (which contain audio+video) and some files are high quality


There will be exists "ffshrine.org" in future



btw: don't forget to invite me when "the day of complicated reason" comes

[Captain Dolce]

[...]

...what?

[Androu1]

Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway. And anyone who doesn't accept this and "steals" music by downloading it turns into a bad person, a pirate...

The world turns into a worse place every day.

Never have I seen so much win and reality on ONE post.

[Synch]

Actually, I never think about illegal such thing.
We love music, it doesn't matter if you don't want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don't have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn't it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don't thing about illegal such thing...
This world is free for us, isn't it?





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[Shatai]

Actually, I never think about illegal such thing.
We love music, it doesn't matter if you don't want people upload or download the music. But as long as you don't have a proof that your song is originally yours, you cannot shut down this forum or talk about illegal things.
In my country, people are free to upload their song and let other people to download it as long as the song has bought before. Once we bought something, we have the right to do with our item, isn't it?
SO, as long as we love music, why not share it to other people???
Don't thing about illegal such thing...
This world is free for us, isn't it?

People are free to share music in your country once it's been bought because your country doesn't enforce restrictions on the ownership of intellectual property.

When people argue against piracy or the sharing of music and movies, they often try to draw a very simple analog between downloading a movie or song and physically stealing a copy of the album or movie. Your country's laws essentially follow the same line of reasoning - you buy a box of candy, what's wrong with dolling it out to your friends? You buy a game, who cares if you lend it around amongst your social circle? And in your case, you buy some music or videos, what's the big deal if you share?

The facts are, in the US and other countries, the concept of video and music purchase is very alien and completely unknown even to most people who buy their media! When you purchase a movie or song in the US, you're really not so much legally buying a physical copy of your media to do with what you wish; you're buying, for lack of a better term, a license to access the IP holder's material through some arbitrary medium (DVD, CD, Blu-Ray, whatever digitally protected music format you downloaded online from a music store). Although not bound by a contract you sign at the video store, you're definitely legally coerced to obey this contract you probably never gave much mind to. You've all seen the obnoxious five second "COPYING IS PROHIBITED" warnings that litter the previews of a commercial DVD, and these policies largely apply to music CDs as well.

Is it illegal to pirate this stuff? Absolutely. Is it just to do so, for any reason? No. The material has been commercially released under a very specific set of codified laws and contract. Your personal stance on whether or not music or data should be free is completely irrelevent to the law in the countries where I'm guessing most of us posters reside. If you live in an outlier country like Synch does, where there really are no legal ramifications - enjoy yourself while you can, because countries that reject the restrictions and responsibilities that come with a worldwide digital age are going to find themselves on the butt end of multiple embargoes on digital media by the end of the 21st century. Not even a thriving bootleg market will be able to completely remedy that.

The fact is, somebody laboured to create something and released their work under a license that they expect to have followed. As an artist, that is their right. Trying to pretend we have some intrinsic right to enjoy an artist's work regardless of his terms is a blatant insult to the artist.

I feel we should lose the hippie attitude and face the facts: we're not practicing some "fundamental right to joy" that trumps the code of law, we're downloading and sharing some awesome game soundtracks. All we can do is enjoy the fact that very few companies bother defending their game music IP. I am sure there are many aficionados among us who will go the distance and buy some of our game music, and I am sure that there are even some of us who will enjoy a randomly pirated soundtrack so much that we'll go buy the real deal, if just to support the artist - so maybe some iota of good will can creep from our blatant piracy. But whatever, I have a ridiculous amount of OSTs I grabbed here, and I doubt we'll ever see any ffshrine posters take the stand to be sued for millions, so let's just keep up the good (bad) stuff while we have the chance.

Don't get me wrong, I don't enjoy draconian laws in the least, and by my own confession, I am a massive user of this site (even contributor, occasionally) - I just feel we shouldn't disillusion ourselves about the nature of what exactly we're doing. You know what? You're [most of us, that is] committing crimes, however inoffensive they might be, and while nobody thinks you're personally robbing the artist blind (because let's face it, as other posters have already pointed out, it can be absolutely impossible to find some of these OSTs) or throwing a metaphorical brick through their window, you're still committing a crime. So am I, very regularly. Stop pretending we aren't basically just criminals here and go with the flow. When this good thing ends for us, it ends. Again, enjoy while you can.

[jalvarez82]

Everybody is just out for money, no matter the excuse. It's all obviously for money. We have yet to hear a explaination on what we are doing is "damaging" to them, that's all I'm curious about. What are we damaging? They never explain that, all they do is remind us about what rules we're breaking, but never do they specify what's damaged. A bunch of BS, I say.

I don't think it matters much about Video Game or Movie/TV Show OSTs compared to music albums. If this site was hosting a huge library of albums from all sorts of artists, available to download for free, then it'd be a whole different field. I don't think we should worry too too much about the matter, besides, the only corporations getting upset over these kind of things, are the people running the file-sharing sites. That's it.

To tell you the truth, this is haven, just how often do you see video game music soundtracks up for sale at a local CD store? Not many or not at all, you can only find them online or with stores that is 100% made for gamers. I think we shouldn't be nailed for finding another way to get the impossibles, we're all not rich either.

I don't mean to quote an old post, but I agree with this statement 100%, especially the last paragraph. You can't even find domestic VGM albums at any record stores. It's rediculous. And I don't remember ever seeing one single commercial on TV advertising a video game soundtrack. EVER. lol

Online is a blessing for us VGM listeners.

[V Guyver]

wait, by saying that your are basically flipping the bird at everyone who worked to make that music you love.

There are the editors to the music, the label designers, the manufacturers, the artists, and not to mention the more elaborate the music, the more expensive to produce.

Do you think orchestrated music we all love in our movies and videogames come cheap? Or how about guys like Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Via? Bands like Nightwish and Sum41, they have to use good quality instruments and speakers for the sound they have. A good guitar can cost thousands, real life size organ pipes cost millions, quality drums, keyboards, speakers that cost insane amounts...

Do I even have to explain how much it costs to own a studio, run it, or simply rent any of that?

Look, I don't like the music industry all that much in the US. Yet, if we were to simply by one CD, then cause a chain reaction in which millions of unbought copies of the MP3's are circulated on the net, then you can easily cause a huge number problems to the artist(s) who put effort into the track. I only agree with the downloads on this site because most of them are niche hard to find titles in the US, and the ones I do or can come across I make the effort to buy. But don't think that just because we foreign music, that aren't still doing the same thing, because in the end, the money we could of spent on that artist could of fueled further works we could of enjoyed.

[lysdor]

Hi all

It's impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995's game ....[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Name of the music: 03 - torkiin's last secret.mp3

Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!

[jalvarez82]

One thing I never understood is why the artists/groups/record companies can't reprint their OOP/Hard to Find albums for those who're demanding them and have to resort to downloading them on the net (instead of paying a rediculous price for it). Is it really that hard to do it, or are they just being lazy and/or tight asses, I wonder? Makes no sense to me.

[Mewsie]

One thing I never understood is why the artists/groups/record companies can't reprint their OOP/Hard to Find albums for those who're demanding them and have to resort to downloading them on the net (instead of paying a rediculous price for it). Is it really that hard to do it, or are they just being lazy and/or tight asses, I wonder? Makes no sense to me.

My guess would be permission issues. Perhaps some new company brought out the copyright, or the old one expired and they can't seem to get the courts to sell it back to them. 'cause frankly some really old stuff is still in legal battles over ownership; and the original creator/composer may not get that much say in the matter.

Because there are other musicians, directors, big-time lawyers, companies like Disney, and all kinds of cretins trying to get their hands on it; and until the courts sell it over to whomever they seem to think deserves the rights to it... most of those copyrights are in limbo... which means they can't release or perhaps even make a remastered rendition.

Though maybe this isn't true for people who make the music digitally through some program... where as the music almost solely belongs to them.

[Captain Dolce]

Hi all

It's impossible to download the third music of Bermuda Syndrome, a beautiful 1995's game ....[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Name of the music: 03 - torkiin's last secret.mp3

Thanks, i will be happy and recognize if anybody could solve the problem!!!

Why do people have to be ignorant, stupid and moronic? I just can't understand it. -.-"

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Mospeada]

I agree with the idea that if you own a game, you already own the music contained within. For example, take a Tekken game, or Street Fighter III: Third Strike. They have a "music player" option in the game, with a picture of the album cover, and you play the tracks. You already purchased the music.

Another thing I look at is this: game soundtracks simply do not come out in American stores. It's not as though you can go to Target and buy the soundtrack to a PS2 game from 8 years ago that you liked. And if a particular soundtrack was available in Japan 8 years ago, and went out of print...there's no money to be made on it. Is someone actually losing money if I download the soundtrack to "Evergrace"? Does anyone even remember that damn game? No and no! (Great music, btw...)

[HG Montgomery]

music's now like painting in a way isn't it? e.g. when you paint something it becomes a fragile b u t t e r f l y-like thing only kept alive by reproduction and no-one thinks to charge you for merely looking at it. i see it as technology catching up too fast for the music companies to keep up with, and largely a good thing - i'm always gonna buy albums for the artwork & lyric sheet, i'm always gonna go to shows & buy merch.... if anything it's made me more of a discerning consumer, and more of a supporter of the bands with nothing. i'd rather order a CD off some guy on myspace who makes songs in his bedroom than wander into a record shop and buy the least awful thing i can find. seriously, if record shops bothered to cater for the underground more then i would buy tonnes more CDs too. i'm just sick of my favourite bands not even getting within smelling distance of these big record chains. in fact increasingly more and more of my favourite acts are either unsigned or almost completely unheard of - and thats thanks to the internet.

i went off on a tangent there i realise. anyway what i really wanted to say was that all the music i've seen up for download so far is videogame music, and that's rare as fuck.... i dunno about the US but i dont think any of these videogame OSTs even come out in england. if something isn't released for sale in england as it's not considered 'profitable' then surely they won't mind me downloading it. it's not like they're losing money cause i would never have got to buy it in the first place. plus in 99% of these cases whoever downloaded the soundtrack has already spent a large wad of cash on the game itself (and dont tell me games arent overpriced). i'm also guessing that these OSTs (i know a lot of the stuff on here is actual game rips rather than rips of the CD versions of the OSTs anyway) are a pretty limited run. i can't imagine them pressing thousands of copies of the soundtracks to some of the games mentioned here... thus if they're limited edition, again the companies wouldn't be losing money if we downloaded them, as we most likely wouldnt have the chance to buy the soundtracks anyway - particuarly since loads of them are from when we little kids marvelling over 80s megaman or whatever. i think downloading is bad when you rip someone off - but the way i see it, no-one whatsoever is getting ripped off here. these composers have already been paid to do their job, i doubt their major source of income is based on the number of soundtracks sold, more likely the number of games. if i downloaded an album by some struggling band on the breadline and then never bought any of their music, never went to any of the shows and never bought any merch, then i would be totally in the wrong. however, if i download one limited edition game soundtrack that probably never came out in my own country and whom's makers are already rolling in cash, i don't see how i've done anything wrong... lets just hope other people think like this too. long live this forum, i say.

EDIT - i can't say *********? b u t t e r f l y ? ? ? ? thats weird

[Ashguard]

As far as I've been able to decipher, music from rythym games (i.e. not video game music; but official copyrighted albums etc.) is allowed to be posted? That means anyone can request any song they damn well please due to a game called Audiosurf using the music on your hardrive to play. This is mainly done with company owned music. This is something of a loophole that allows users to easily bypass the rules of the forum and isntantly enter illegal territory, with no reprucusions.

[Shatai]

I am gay. I can say and do whatever I want.

[KeneranSurin]

Well this is technically illegal. SO we should respect the wishes of those who don't want their music or the companies that own the rights to them uploaded here. But really, it does have it's benefits to the artists and we hear music we otherwise would never of come across. I had no idea that some of the old Romance of the Three Kingdoms music was done by Yoko Kanno.

Thanks to the website of really come to appreciate Hans Zimmer and others artists like Hayato Matsuo, Michiru Yamane, Kenji Ito, and Go Shiina. I've even come to appreciate nameless artists that many companies haven't really given much credit to such as the artists behind the Bonk and Hyper Wars videogames. So these days I actually do hunt down and try to buy some of their Cd's and sample works. Though it sucks that most of the stuff here can't be found in 99% of the local stores.

Up until a few years ago, I had little interest in music and much less in the artists that created them. That changed as I started to look up and listen to much of the music on this site.

Yet these artists need to make a living, and illegal copies of music do hurt their sales and thus their livelihood, even if we intend to buy their Cd's... there is no guarantee we will later for whatever reason or excuse that may pop up. So by all means, whomever requests something removed, then we must comply for the welfare of this site, and out of respect for those who have invested time, skill, and money into creating these works.

One thing to note though, I don't believe this site to be a major cause loss of sales. Despite all the music here. Many of us do buy it, and when people present arguments telling us that the struggling music industry is failing because of pirates and websites like ours. They are being pretty narrow minded since they are actually in fault for their own shortcomings. If The market hadn't gotten so stale with repetitive mainstream music (Endorsing rap was like like endorsing plagiarism to a degree.) and their refusal to embrace MP3's and online marketing opened up all their pirating problems to begin with. Really, It's gotten to the point that mainsteam music hardly sounds all that different from the next 20 songs following in the same station and even into the next couple.


i hate a good deal of the music now...because it is so much like the one before it. I like Nickelback, but many of their songs are the same and it's ridiculous. It's as if ...well we found a good beat lets go with it. Same for Three Doors Down.

[discodan]

Will the new Depeche Mode - Fragile Tension be on there????

[Shatai]

When does that come out, anyway?

[Sarah]

no music represented by the RIAA should ever be posted here, obviously.

[discodan]

When does that come out, anyway?

Album dropping in April i believe.... first single out in March, apparently one track off the album (not first single) leaked by label

I aquired it over the weekend... not too hard to find either. for a quick listen hitmyspacemusic

[thejoyrider]

i dont get the big deal. the musician was paid for the movie / game. so any cd sold is a bonus. a band however still gets money via radio/ tv and live gigs. however record labels waste money on promotion and glam.


Music once was supposed to be for everyone's joy.
Now it's only existing for creating profite for those people who have enough anyway.

thats not quite true. labels take a huge chunk of the cut leaving the band with nothing. bands generally dont start to make money until their 2nd or 3rd album. for many its not enough to live on and they go back to their day jobs.

[Captain Dolce]

I was talking about labels (and superstars).

[Music4Games]

Attn Narco Cease & Desist

You must remove illegal distribution links from these and other similar sites:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

This is damaging to the artists involved.

[thejoyrider]

I was talking about labels (and superstars).

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.

[TheWez1981]

I bought the ArmCannon and Year 200X albums, as well as Game Over's albums and the Metroid Metal album with donating.
My Game Over albums are even signatures with Wire's autograph.

[knuckleJoe]

slag it

[Jessie]

Music from the composer Clinton Shorter is not to be posted on the forums.

[MasterZPrime]

Music from the composer Clinton Shorter is not to be posted on the forums.

Why?

[Sanico]

Why?
Because of this thread ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

[MasterZPrime]

Because of this thread ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

Can they prove they represent the composer?

[Jessie]

I've been in contact with them, and yes, they can.

[Simon B.]

Jessie [Only registered and activated users can see links] RULES !!! :)

[MasterZPrime]

I've been in contact with them, and yes, they can.

Then can I meet them?

[Aardvark3]

"Piracy" is not theft. Nothing is being stolen here. No CD's are being filched. It may be splitting hairs, but some hairs should be split.

[knuckleJoe]

People, stop trying to justify your actions. You know it's wrong. If something is for sale, and you obtain it without paying for it, it's wrong. Simple as that. No excuses, no justifications, no technicalities.

I'm not against most downloading for several reasons, but everyone should purchase as much as they can.

[Major.Dump]

Aren't composers usually paid for their work already when doing a score? So really the only thing in downloading a soundtrack that we hurt is additional funds from an OST.

So fair enough that we're hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we're not STARVING him like his 'representative' would have you believe.

[Scoresofscores]

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.


Wrong, they get paid royalties for album and download sales too. Let's not hurt the artists that bring us such wonderful music?!?!

Aren't composers usually paid for their work already when doing a score? So really the only thing in downloading a soundtrack that we hurt is additional funds from an OST.

So fair enough that we're hindering maximum profits to Mr. Shorter, but we're not STARVING him like his 'representative' would have you believe.

Why is it fair to him that you can rationalize how much money he should be able to make? If you enjoy his music, pay for it.

[restlessgypsy]

@Sarah

About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?

Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ....?

[Captain Dolce]

I doubt a real representation of a studio located in the USA would have so many spelling errors in one single posting.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[spaceworlder]

Of course it's Eddavi. Who else abuses the copy and paste function like that? ^_^

[WithBadIntent]

Well it doesn't matter anyway. Eddavi killed the Lossless Thread and I would not be surprised if this thread goes too. Well it was fun for the short time it lasted for me. The only thing left to say is

FUCK YOU EDDAVI

[Scoresofscores]

who cares about superstars. this is soundtracks movies and games. superstars get paid for from the radio stations, live gigs, music tv royalties, tv promos - live and now through rock band and guitar hero.

i already explained how soundtrack composers already get paid. i fail to see how "it's damaging" when in reality they get a monthly wage like everyone else gets to pay the rent and put food on the table.

the real issue is the used and rental games market which takes away every royalty due from the developer and publisher.

Actually not true. I know a working Hollywood composer and he tells me he gets paid for the sessions and that is it. He makes royalties on the soundtrack sales as well as publishing. The musicians get a piece too.

It's very different from pop music and these guys aren't rich so why not support the music you love with a purchase?

[Dharma]

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

[JarodThePretender]

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

Sounds like the exemple of Joel Golsdmith who does not own the rights on his Call of Duty 3 music but Activision...
Industry (companies) against Culture (artists)...

[Scoresofscores]

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

That's bull but you have a right to your opinion.

[palpidious]

Hello, first I want to apologies me for my English. I speak Spanish and I understand English although I´m not very good writing it, and I want to write this as I feel it.
Like many members, I discover this place by accident, I was looking for pictures of Rambo and then I found the link for an expanded score for Speed Racer (that flv file). It was great because I love scores and, again, like many members here I felt like a weird people for being fan of film scores before finding this place. And I wanted the rare unavailable stuff. I buy official CDs since I was very young, but now I live in my country, Bolivia, one of the farthest places in the galaxy and piracy is everywhere. You can buy movies for less than 1 dollar. But recompressed movies because they use 4gb disc only. And in some cases you can have three movies in one disc, like the Back to the Future movies in just one DVD, and you could imagine the quality. When the DVD format came out, I was one of the first geeks who purchased the expensive player and buy original Region 1 DVDs. Then they take out Spanish language and subtitles because of R4 DVDs, but there wasn´t studios or companies to distribute region 4 DVDs here, so what can I do. I´d buy another expensive DVD player for R4 movies but the only way to buy movies was using the help of importers who would charge you with 10+ US dollars from the original retail price. So I have to pay 40 -50 Us Dollar for a movie or 30 for a CD. And I´d do, because when I want something, I want it with the best quality. For example, I collected every original Star Wars CD available, even the not so different 8 disc release of 2007. But in this country you don´t get a 1000 US salary, a lot of people only receive a little more than 100 US, so who would buy an official movie or CD spending almost half of their incomes.
The piracy is common even for the richer people. Even if you want to go to a theater to see a movie, almost every movie last one week only because you can have it for 5 $ on DVD. The prices for movie tickets are 20-25 $ so you may spend 100$ if you go with your family and that doesn’t include additional expenses. So, 100+ $ vs 5$, you can imagine what´s the common choice. So, those importers who brought original DVD and CDs are almost extinct. I´m lucky enough to have a friend who can bring me some of that stuff (not everything) every once in a while. But for everybody I’m the stupid who still purchase original products. I remember very well when they laughed at me for buying the original soundtrack for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Cristal Skull. And the same when I buy movies. I have to wait a month to receive my movie, while everybody has seen it 10 times for less than 1 dollar.
Now, soundtrack aren’t the most common thing to hear on the radio, so the only way for me to hear this stuff is to download it and then decide to buy it, but I really need to be convinced because of the big price that I´ll must pay. So when I found this place I was interested for the impossible things like promos, limited releases and out of prints. I downloaded some new scores, because perhaps I would never see the movie in theaters. You know, waiting one moth to get the soundtrack, I want to hear it before the movie is released because I want to be more excited about that.
But, like I say, I can´t buy every soundtrack because it´s impossible here. I´m against piracy, but most of all against people doing profit with piracy. Nobody seems to do anything here and I prefer to download things from sharing places than pay money to somebody who doesn´t deserve it. My wish is to have labels doing something against this kind of piracy, because perhaps I could buy the original stuff here at reasonable prices. But now its almost impossible to know what is out there. Limited releases are impossible for me, because of restrictions or that kind of things, so I just can buy mainstream things. And without the possibility to hear the work of less known composers like the one from Sector 9 (movie wasn´t released here yet) and with the high prices to spend, I´m almost obligated to chose the sure things like John Williams or Danny Elfman. So now I am very confused about this situation. It is like I am forced to buy piracy, and I hate that. The other choice is to move to another country but I don´t think that´s a solution, I love my country. Well, thank for all the wonderful stuff, and everybody who shared special material with everybody. Thank you, I hope everything calms down soon.

[ggctuk2005]

I'm a composer. We make no money from soundtrack sales unless we're creating the discs and selling them ourselves.

The only paychecks you get are from the sessions and scoring, and any published sheet music (i.e. piano arrangement books or concert works). Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.

As a composer I support the piracy of my music and any other composer's music. We want our music to be heard. Many other composers feel the same way. They're often involved in soundtrack trading and are willing to give out promos for scores that were never released. It would be great if soundtracks were also a means of making money for us, but they aren't.

As for Hans Zimmer, John Williams, Alan Silvestri and the like, they really don't need the nickel they would get from you buying their soundtracks. So in short (too late, I know) downloading the soundtracks are hurting no one except the companies, don't try to say it's the other way around.

That's bull but you have a right to your opinion.

If that were bull, then why is Joel Douek posting all of the unreleased Yu-Gi-Oh! cues on his website? If that's bull, why has LucasFilm not stopped us editing together and distributing (without charge) completed scores? In the case of the latter it's because we're not making money and it's seen as a fan work (mainly for Star Wars, mind). No, composers make little, if any, money from the CD releases of their scores - they all get paid for scoring a film/game/TV show, what happens to the music after that is up to the studios.

[docrate1]

@Sarah

About Varese albums:
Does that include OOP releases?

Like, for instance, "Frankie Starlight", "Shocker", "Lure Of Wilderness", "The Stoning Of Soraya M.", "Rookie Of The Year", "Last Man Standing" (rejected), "Enemy Mine" ....?

I'd like to know that too. but I fear they plan to squash us like bugs because we are troublemakers in their nice games of selling limited editions of their scores at 100$ the CD...

:cryingbatman:

[Sanico]

I'd like to know that too. but I fear they plan to squash us like bugs because we are troublemakers in their nice games of selling limited editions of their scores at 100$ the CD...


I think i've never seen VS selling CD's from their catalog at 100$ even for limited editions. At that price i only found at eBay or other online auction markets, which a label has nothing to do with it.

[thejoyrider]

its possible he was a troll for the riaa or whatever.

[Pure Evil]

If that were bull, then why is Joel Douek posting all of the unreleased Yu-Gi-Oh! cues on his website? If that's bull, why has LucasFilm not stopped us editing together and distributing (without charge) completed scores? In the case of the latter it's because we're not making money and it's seen as a fan work (mainly for Star Wars, mind). No, composers make little, if any, money from the CD releases of their scores - they all get paid for scoring a film/game/TV show, what happens to the music after that is up to the studios.

Amen to that!!

user "Scoresofscores" try to looks like a composer or producers or anything else, but actualy near to all he have said are total bullshit, don't waste your time to reply to him, and who knows, it's maybe Eddavi himself...

[ggctuk2005]

Ohh... I'm sure he'd be able to tell us the name of his good composer friend.

[thejoyrider]

edited.

[bellhop13]

Royalties from soundtracks are very very rare (ask James Horner how much money he makes from soundtracks. It's next to nothing) and when you do receive royalties it's worth less than a meal at McDonald's.
dude, you're an idiot! James Horner's salary for Titanic: $800,000 plus $1.2 per CD sold... It sold 30million copies, do the math dumbass!

[ggctuk2005]

What he meant is sales from soundtracks. Composers get paid to do the scoring and then that's it. They get paid if they edit the albums the music goes onto. Aside from that, all proceeds go to the record label.

[bellhop13]

that's my point. I know how the industry works. Horner made $36million off of cd sales!

[guyverdude]

can anyone help me find armored core ost im really itchin for it and im havin real trouble finding it aaaa

[guyverdude]

armored core 4 ost i mean sorry