Lair Original Game Score-(Work In Progress Rip)-John Debney

[OrangeC]

Here are two tracks from the game lair that im currently working on. Its on 192kbps for now, but once i post the full gamerip im gonna make it 320kbps.

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Enjoy!

[Domingo]

...OrangeC, you are my hero!

[ryan01]

Awesome work Orange C,

cant wait for the rest

thank you so much for taking the time to do what i'm sure will be a lenghty but worthwile task

[OrangeC]

Yeah, although i doubt i will be able to get all 8 hours that debney wrote.

[ryan01]

OrangeC

I think whatever you can do will be amazing and i'm sure everyone here will appreciate it.

[OrangeC]

Oh yeah all this hard work will be worth it.=)

[Russ]

Awesome!! Cant wait for the full rip OrangeC mate. :)

[scoreman]

OrangeC, not my place to say, up to you of course, but if the music is generetic to 192, may be a good idea o keep it at 192, rather than transfer it to 320k from 192k as it may affect the quality of the music...

If i am mistaken on that, forgive me as i too am anxious to hear this score :)

[direx]

This ssound so great ... thanx a lot.
Can't wait anymore for the full rip ...

Direx

[Ecks927]

Thanks so much Orange

[scorefun]

wonderfull - thanks a lot

[tangotreats]

Hi OrangeC,
Thank you for doing this, truly this is a monumental undertaking!

First of all, Scoreman, in theory, yes, but if you're recompressing an already compressed source, logic dictates that, in order to preserve as much of the original quality as possible, you should compress minimally.

192kbps source, re-encoded to 192kbps MP3 is going to sound like shit, whereas re-encoded to 320kbps MP3, it will be *approaching* the quality of the original source.

Also, OrangeC, I hate to whine, but how are you ripping these? What is the original file format? These tracks seriously need normalising before encoding.

Cheers :)
D

[OrangeC]

Im doing line in as Blu-ray's cant be read yet by PC drive. And yeah i will try to work on the volume a bit. a bit too low i think.

[tangotreats]

Ooh, yikes... Line in straight out of your PS3? You poor man... This is going to take you forever. ;)

How far through are you? :D

D

[OrangeC]

Well luckily on thd disc there is a concert hall mode where you can listen to the whole OST after you unlocked it frome each level, so i can just rip it from there.

[arpantz1]

Although it's slow, line-in is the way I've been doing it for years! Every PS2 game I've ripped I've needed to do that since every ripping program I've found can't correctly locate the music files. Thanks for your hard work and keep at it!

[OrangeC]

Another thing that delayed me is that ive also been trying to rip GRaw 2 from PS3 but its hard because they don't give you audio settings to turn down Voices And SFx, stupid ubisoft, and the game for PS3 had great music, beter than the PC version.

[Sylvos]

Ah... This is the very Debney I've been missing for years. Now why he keeps signing for scoring those low grade comey films is beyond me. If only this was a film and would be treated like a film score... I really hope we'll get to hear more of this kind form him.

Thanks very much for the rip OrangeC. Can't wait to listen to the full game-rip now!

[OrangeC]

I have 13 of the tracks recorded so far.

[tangotreats]

Slyvos:

The sad truth is, he signs up for crappy comedy movies because that's all he's being offered these days. A composer like Debney - who writes real music and has actual musical ability and education, just doesn't get the big gigs nowadays. It is truly a dark period in film music history. The fine composers - Debney, Broughton, Silvestri, etc, either barely work or work on rubbish films to keep the bread and butter on the table, while dozens of generic idiots (Zimmer, Ottman, Bates, etc spring to mind) earn untold millions cranking outan endless stream of poor quality temp-track redux, hyper-percussive, thematically void, musically brain-dead scores...

Guys like that must get so depressed. Bruce Broughton's last outing was Bambi 2. Before he died (RIP) Basil Poledouris was barely called up for anything since Starship Troopers in '97. Alan Silvestri only works for Robert Zemeckis now, and the occasional CGI monstrosity. Debney wastes away on Bruce Almighty. David Shire is woken up for after twenty years of deep-sleep for Zodiac. Elliot Goldenthal lives off his past royalties and the Tyler Bates lawsuit, and only scores Julie Taymor movies....

Where are Cliff Eidelman, Craig Safan, Ed Shearmur, Frederic Talgorn, Yared, Burgon, Fenton, Blake, McNeely, Scott, Rosenthal, Folk, etc, etc... It's really quite sad...

ANYWAY, sorry for getting depressing - thanks for the update OrangeC, can't wait to hear the other tracks and hope it's all going well :D

[Sylvos]

You know Danny, it's only a matter of luck, methinks. If composers like Zimmer, Ottman, Bates and etc are on top right now, it's only because they took assignments that were overwhelmingly successful at the end. Think of Zimmer's Pirates of the Caribbean. Do you think there was even a slight chance for a score like the first Pirates film to earn that much attention if it wasn't for the film's roaring success? Me for example, I love that score, I really do but not because it's mind blowing swashbucking music, but for the memories that it brings to me of Johnny Depp's ingenious performances. So I'm loving the score because I loved the movie. That's how it gets popular, that's how it sells well, that's why studios think Zimmer's the one to look for this genre from now on, and that's what puts him on top.

The film's box office is also a very important factor on how composers get hired. Why Debney keeps signing for crappy comedy films? In my opinion it's because someething like Bruce Almighty did very well on the box office so, studios try to put together the same chemistry of cast and crew to produce more of the same. They may hardly even know that this guy has written something like Cutthroat Island, they may never let someone like Yared to score a film like Troy. They don't know McNeely had written music for a StarWars video game that was as good as Williams' film scores, if not better. Maybe Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow wasn't the type of music that they find suitable for a film because perhaps it didn't do that well on the box office. They simply don't want to take risks these days and that's why those who want to venture beyond their current cells are left in the shadows. These are what I think is going on these days. I hope they make sense.

At least Silvestri kicks some butt with his Zemeckis scores these days. We also have a Michael Giacchino who have proven his talents in the past and keeps writting bombastic fantastic scores every once a while, so hopefully things will get better in due course.


Anyhoo sorry for all this drama, let's move on to the bright side. While we're all waiting for the complete game-rip, I thought you people may wanna know that there is a soundtrack album of Lair on iTunes (US). It has 26 tracks.

[OrangeC]

Whats the runtime?

[Sylvos]

1. Lair Main Title (2:14)
2. Lair Main Menu (2:21)
3. Diviner Battle (4:15)
4. Funeral Pyre (0:51)
5. Civilization Theme (3:58)
6. Blood River (3:32)
7. Rohn's Theme (2:04)
8. Serpemt Strait (2:22)
9. Darkness Theme (4:02)
10. Firestorm (3:54)
11. Elegy (3:25)
12. Diviner's Theme (2:06)
13. The Last Straw (2:38)
14. Lost (2:10)
15. Breaking the Ice (1:30)
16. Deadman's Basin (2:56)
17. Mokai Theme (2:15)
18. Return to Mokai City [Part 1] (1:49)
19. Return to Mokai City [Part 2] (3:34)
20. Ruins of Mokai (1:02)
21. Bridge of Ancients (1:30)
22. Loden (1:50)
23. Battle for Asylia (4:08)
24. Epilogue (3:19)
25. Bridge Battle (3:32)
26. Bridge Attack (2:06)

[OrangeC]

Its the same music just edited i think.

[scoreman]

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Here it is, for those that are interested

[OrangeC]

Thanks.

That should tied some of you over for the gamerip that im halfway through.

Firestorm - Destroy mokai city is just awesome!!

[Sylvos]

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Here it is, for those that are interested


Good. Special thanks to you and Restemat who have uploaded this album on the net in the first place. :-D

[into the storm]

Encode is terrible though.

I have 320kbps one.

[Sylvos]

Thanks.

That should tied some of you over for the gamerip that im halfway through.

Firestorm - Destroy mokai city is just awesome!!

I think most of us still want the complete game-rip, maestro OrangeC. The OST only covers one third of what Debney recorded for the game and frankly, that ain't enough. :-P

[Sylvos]

Encode is terrible though.

I have 320kbps one.

Then you may want to do us all a favour and upload it online, per chance? :-P

[into the storm]

In the process of doing so.

[hater]

I think most of us still want the complete game-rip, maestro OrangeC. The OST only covers one third of what Debney recorded for the game and frankly, that ain't enough. :-P

maybe.but even in the game there is only 110mins.don´t know where the missing parts are-maybe they will release them as well...

[Sylvos]

maybe.but even in the game there is only 110mins.don´t know where the missing parts are-maybe they will release them as well...

110? But I thought I read somewhere that Debney's done something like 3 hours of music? Ah well...

[hater]

110? But I thought I read somewhere that Debney's done something like 3 hours of music? Ah well...

i found that strange,too.possible they saved some music for a second part.debney said about 8 cds full of music, the game features two of them.the concert hall has 53 tracks with 108mins, one track is in the training mode with two minutes.thats all.some tracks are used twice like firestorm which appears in the final battle part 3 again.the itunes version is misssing some great action.donßt buy it, donßt download it.

[Sylvos]

the itunes version is misssing some great action.don't buy it, don't download it.

Yeah, but that's the best option we have right now until OrangeC finishes the Game-rip.

[OrangeC]

Yep guys im almost done with it. Im recording along as i beat the game. Saves some time.

[Sylvos]

Cool! Just be a little more careful with the volume this time, bud! :-P

[OrangeC]

The volume is loud this time, but not so loud as it distorts.

[direx]

thanx a lot scoreman ... you saved my day ...
what a great music. I am absolutly thrilled. The best release this year. Thats for sure.
Hope the game rip will show up the next days ...

Direx

[hater]

thanx a lot scoreman ... you saved my day ...
what a great music. I am absolutly thrilled. The best release this year. Thats for sure.
Hope the game rip will show up the next days ...

Direx

its as great as stardust but not better.

[scoreman42]

Lair is a lot better than Stardust. But of course that's just my opinion.

[OrangeC]

I might have the gamerip up by later tonight depending on the upload speeds.

[tangotreats]

OrangeC, thank you - can't wait, and I'm going to stay up all night waiting for this! ;)

Re the missing music, I am having the following thoughts...:

1) 8 hours (according to some estimates) with the London Symphony Orchestra is EXPENSIVE. We're looking at probably £250,000 to record for that much, plus all the overheads. Maybe there are 8 hours of music, but I sincerely doubt that it would all be with full orchestra.

2) If there is indeed 8 hours of orchestral music, probably more than half of it will be nothing but alternative takes, overdubs, rehearsals, etc - take your pick. A professional symphony orchestra usually puts out about between 5 and 10 minutes of recording per hour in session, if that. Rehearsal can be as little as a playthrough, but sometimes more.

(I am recording 70 minutes of music with a 50 piece orchestra in the Czech Republic. I'm going to try and do it in one day - that's a six hour session. I'll probably come away with about two or three hours of recorded music, but easily half will be rehearsals and duds...)

I expect that once the gamerip is complete, we will have all the *unique* music recorded for Lair, if not every note that was performed over in Abbey Road, it will definitely be a very satisfying album.

Cheers :)
Danny

[OrangeC]

I just saw the bonus extras for Lair and debney himself said that the score as very quick to do with abbey road and he never mentioned 8 hours of music.

[tangotreats]

I read somewhere that eight hours was bandied about. I never believed it. The budget wouldn't go that far and no game would have eight hours of orchestral music in it, in a million years.

Three hours is a bit more believable, and if there's almost two in the game, it's safe to say that the stuff they didn't include is, as I suggested earlier, either filler dross or different takes of the same tracks that didn't make the final cut.

Good luck with your rip, sir, looking forward to it immensely. :D

[hater]

I read somewhere that eight hours was bandied about. I never believed it. The budget wouldn't go that far and no game would have eight hours of orchestral music in it, in a million years.

Three hours is a bit more believable, and if there's almost two in the game, it's safe to say that the stuff they didn't include is, as I suggested earlier, either filler dross or different takes of the same tracks that didn't make the final cut.

Good luck with your rip, sir, looking forward to it immensely. :D

they recorded 8cds full of music, thats from a interview with him.if someone has his email. lets ask him about this.debney is very nice to his fans, giving away promos and stuff.

[tangotreats]

I should be able to fish out a contact for Mr Debney. Good idea.

[OrangeC]

Expect LAIR Complete Gamerip to make its debute launch today!!!!!!!!!!