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JoSephiroth
03-23-2007, 12:43 PM
So i've been hearing these rumors of Square discussing the exclusivity of Final Fantasy XIII. Can someone please elaborate on these rumors?

Prak
03-23-2007, 12:47 PM
There's really not much to tell. It's all just rumors at this point. But then again, most of the rumors about other supposed PS3 exclusives going to 360 have turned out to be true, so there's at least a bit of credibility in the notion based on that.

Denny
03-23-2007, 12:56 PM
True

I think many developers are realizing that releasing a game on a single console isn't necessarily are great choice financially. Now unless SE have a deal with Sony stopping them from releasing it on another system I would say it's quite possible.

J. Peterman
03-25-2007, 07:12 PM
suikoden needs to go on system i don't have to buy imo

Silfurabbit
03-25-2007, 09:25 PM
So i've been hearing these rumors of Square discussing the exclusivity of Final Fantasy XIII. Can someone please elaborate on these rumors?

if this is true then sweet becuase the only reason i was going to buy the PS3 was for FFXIII

Sandal Hat
03-27-2007, 07:48 AM
I hope the rumors are true. My desire to continue to play future Final Fantasy titles is the only thing keepin me from purchasing a 360.

Axy
03-27-2007, 11:09 AM
i have heard the rumors 2 i think it will be out on xbox 360 also microsoft say that all of the games on 360 will be made so you can play online so it will be FFXIII online wooooo but i wonder wot it will be like???????

Raidenex
03-27-2007, 06:09 PM
Survey says: you're an idiot.

Not all Xbox 360 games are online. All are required to make use of Xbox Live in some way, but usually that just means downloadable content.

RionPrower
03-28-2007, 09:44 AM
Found on [Only registered and activated users can see links] on the March 24th update (hopefully a reliable source?) :

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Motomu Toriyama, director for Final Fantasy XIII, seems to love working with the PS3 and he says that the PS3 is an ideal console for the game according to a recent interview done.
This could mean that the game will be a PS3 exclusive after all.

Motomu Toriyama Interview ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Chas will have the full translation up soon...

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I pray this is a good answer for you. Though it doesn't truly "confirm" the PS3 exclusive, it seems to be a good chance now.

Krusty Toenail
04-07-2007, 01:23 AM
I'd love to see FF13 land on the 360. I don't/can't wanna buy the PS3 :(

Kazed2010
04-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Survey says: you're an idiot.

Not all Xbox 360 games are online. All are required to make use of Xbox Live in some way, but usually that just means downloadable content.

Hahaha.. Nice. Yeah, Raidenex is right. Oblivion for X360 wasn't online, and to be honest, I would'nt have it any other way.. I would damn well love it if the game came onto the 360, but wouldn't blame SE for keeping it exclusively for the PS3. After all, it has been on the PS/PS2 for years. I don't wanna buy a PS3 just for FF, it'd be pointless, I have an Xbox 360..I really do hope they release it on various platforms.

UltimateFFFan
04-08-2007, 12:34 AM
Hahaha.. Nice. Yeah, Raidenex is right. Oblivion for X360 wasn't online, and to be honest, I would'nt have it any other way.. I would damn well love it if the game came onto the 360, but wouldn't blame SE for keeping it exclusively for the PS3. After all, it has been on the PS/PS2 for years. I don't wanna buy a PS3 just for FF, it'd be pointless, I have an Xbox 360..I really do hope they release it on various platforms.

It's only been on Sony consoles since FFVII. FF's I-VI were on S/NES iirc, and then there's the games like FF:CC, FF:TA, FF Legends, FF Adventure, this kinda makes the majority of FF's on Nintendo consoles, which would be interesting to see whether it'll be available on the Wii....

Kazed2010
04-08-2007, 02:23 AM
Yeah, thats what I meant when I said it had been on the PS/PS2 for years.. meaning FF7, 8, 9, 10, 10-2, and 12. So in my books, that'd be years..But yeah, you're right, I guess it'd be cool on the Wii...

Hynad
04-08-2007, 04:32 PM
FF Legends are not FF at all, they are Romancing Saga Games, they changed the name during the US localisation process so the game would sell (pretty lame IMO). Same for FF Adventure that is in fact Seiken Densetsu 1 (the Mana series).

I expect a person pretending to be the Ultimate Final Fantasy Fan would know these pretty basic stuff.

Kazed2010
04-09-2007, 01:35 AM
FF Legends are not FF at all, they are Romancing Saga Games, they changed the name during the US localisation process so the game would sell (pretty lame IMO). Same for FF Adventure that is in fact Seiken Densetsu 1 (the Mana series).

I expect a person pretending to be the Ultimate Final Fantasy Fan would know these pretty basic stuff.

Just for the record, I'm not an ultimate fan, but more of a fan from FF7 onwards. Thanks for pointing that out though, dude.

Kazed2010
04-09-2007, 01:36 AM
FF Legends are not FF at all, they are Romancing Saga Games, they changed the name during the US localisation process so the game would sell (pretty lame IMO). Same for FF Adventure that is in fact Seiken Densetsu 1 (the Mana series).

I expect a person pretending to be the Ultimate Final Fantasy Fan would know these pretty basic stuff.

Just for the record, I'm not an ultimate fan, but more of a fan from FF7 onwards. Thanks for pointing that out though, dude.

OwnedFF7
04-09-2007, 02:52 PM
i personally would keep it off the 360 cause its tradition for it to be on playstation but not that long since it was on the snes... but i say keep it on ps3 cause i have mine and i no its coming im sorta excited for it and im playing through the series again im just about finished 7 next is 8... and i wont enjoy 8 lol

Prak
04-09-2007, 02:59 PM
You grow more idiotic with each post you make. I can still tolerate your continued existence, but only as long as you never try to breed.

Hynad
04-09-2007, 04:01 PM
yeah, that post was total gibberish.

A TRADITION to be on the PlayStation systems?

For once Prak, I second your post.

Kazed2010
04-09-2007, 06:21 PM
i personally would keep it off the 360 cause its tradition for it to be on playstation but not that long since it was on the snes... but i say keep it on ps3 cause i have mine and i no its coming im sorta excited for it and im playing through the series again im just about finished 7 next is 8... and i wont enjoy 8 lol




.......What??!! :confused:

OwnedFF7
04-09-2007, 06:22 PM
:) i just dont like xbox as much as u dont like me ... everyone has there own say in wat the topic is about maybe you dont like wat i said i could care less if u say to me what u wrote was crap... ff on xbox isnt right but if it goes good for it. the more range of fans more money and maybe better games cause the last few were quite terrible

Hynad
04-09-2007, 06:36 PM
ff on xbox isnt right

Now you will explain why it is not right, please. Because right now, you sound like an ignorant Microsoft basher.

OwnedFF7
04-09-2007, 08:15 PM
iunno since ive played ff was on playstation back when ff7 came out. and since bill gates figured out where he can make billions of dollars he pulled in his technology to try to beat out the compition but w.e i have the p3 and my friend has xbox and his was one of those whos screwed up and over heated when we played a sport game for hours. but p3 has been bashed by them and im bashin xbox... but if final fantasy can make a profit on xbox go for it ill still play it on p3 because it will be the same thing

Hynad
04-09-2007, 08:26 PM
that's completely fanboyish and totally retarded... but whatever pleases your mind.

You should realize Sony came in the console war with the PS1 for the same reason you accuse Bill Gate... Educate yourself a bit the next time you make any attempts to justify your complete lack of sense.

Prak
04-10-2007, 06:33 AM
Incredibly enough, Hynad and I are in perfect agreement right now.


everyone has there own say in wat the topic is about maybe you dont like wat i said i could care less if u say to me what u wrote was crap...

If you don't what other people have to say about your idiotic opinions, you shouldn't be here. Forums are for communication. Get a livejournal if you just want to spew retarded bullshit without being called on it, you dumb cunt.

Kazed2010
04-10-2007, 09:39 AM
Ah...I really do love you guys...I love it when we all get along. Why you guys even wasting your breath on the turd? Seriously, you don't even need to justify yourself to 'Mr Anti-Microsoft'...

UltimateFFFan
04-11-2007, 08:58 AM
It's the thing Prak does, just leave them to it. Also, Hynad, I didn't honestly know that. I always thought they weren't exactly FF's though, so I never really treated them as FF's except just. I see what you mean about changing the name so it would sell though. A pretty lame sales gimmick looking at it :/

Kazed2010
04-11-2007, 01:38 PM
I see...This forum seems all over the place a little..Is it just me?

Dysfunction
04-16-2007, 02:36 PM
I went for the 360 instead of a ps3 and the only thing holding me back was FF13 (yes thats what kind of life I lead) but I am holding out for a 360 release. Devil may Cry 4 is coming to 360 so lest hope Square make the shift too. I'd say financially it would be a smart move.

Aerith63
09-28-2007, 07:43 PM
i'm waiting for my bro to buy FF13 (he's in film school becoming a movie director. gonna be rich soon...da da da da da da) so i was wondering what's the main character's name was going to be (or do you choose the name yourself?). so if anyone knows if its either know or pick, let me know.

Prak
09-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Reviving old threads is bad. Stop doing it.

Aerith63
09-28-2007, 07:45 PM
i dont even know what you're talking about! i'm just new here! i just joined yesterday...

TM
09-29-2007, 05:04 AM
Just check the dates before posting.

FainaruFantaji
09-29-2007, 01:34 PM
There`s not a single FFXIII announced on the X360, and I hope there wont be any at all... FF is just not meant to be there...

OwnedFF7
09-29-2007, 01:36 PM
drop these old topics

Sackboy
09-29-2007, 02:31 PM
To quote Eddie Murphy from Coming to America
"But it is also tradition that times *must* and always do change, my friend."

Translated: OwnedFF7, you can say you want FF to stay on Sony consoles, but to actually believe it belongs only on Sony due to tradition after there have been countless games on both Sony and Nintendo platforms along with a few on PC and 360 and even the Wonderswan, you can STFU.

OwnedFF7
09-29-2007, 02:59 PM
hahaha yea i said that how long ago... and you put this in my face now when i post for the first time for ppl to stop with these old topics. GJ for u. I have a p3 but if square enix is looking for some profit go to w.e system works, for now i see that final fantasy is on the p3 and im waiting for it. till then have a good one

Aerith63
09-29-2007, 07:02 PM
oh ok...bye bye old gum thread

Izon
10-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Hmm all the people who own 360's who are worried about FF coming to that platform or let a lone a decent jrpg, the father of the FF franchise (Hironobu Sakaguki) is in partnership with microsoft. He is making exclusive titles for the 360, one is out (Blue Dragon) and another one in the making Lost Odyssey. He also has Nobuo Uematsu composing the music for both titles. So the mastermind behind Final Fantasy is at hard work making good titles for the 360. It is going to be his work that decides weather or not the Japanese market will really pick up the 360.

For those of you who do not know who H. Sakaguki is, well he is the co-founder of Square Soft and original creator of the final fantasy franchise. He has produced every FF numbered title that has been made and has directed all titles up to FF5. (didn't have a part of ffxii i think, he already left at this point). Why do you think that ffxii and ffxiii looks so different from the classic battle interface.

This guy is also the mastermind/creator of the Parasite Eve, Kingdom Hearts, Vagrant Story, and various other FFspin offs or Square games. Once square merged with Enix, he resigned and started another company called Mistwalker studios which is backed by Microsoft.

Anyway, this dude is the mastermind behind the greatness of these games that square has pushed out. 360 fret not, the greatness of Sakaguchi is in the palm of your hands just watch. The greatness of the legendary composer Nobuo Uematsu is at your hands to, he has composed the music for every game in the FF franchise and has helped in spin offs.

Lost Odyssey (possible new revolutionary JRPG)
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He is also the original

Hynad
10-14-2007, 10:17 PM
The greatness of Sakaguchi is now stuck 10 years in the past. Since that's around that time that his game designs stoped evolving.

Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are the best examples of that.


You're just presenting yourself as a mindless and blind fanboy.

Izon
10-14-2007, 11:00 PM
Its actually 20 years in the past... Anyway, this whole community is dedicated to the the franchise and the talent that is behind it and obviously people here are fanboys. Since this thread is talking about people who own 360's may not be able to experience the series explicitly then perhaps they can settle for the creative talent behind it. Also the greatness of Sakaguchi still continues and is not in the past as you can see all of Square's leading franchises that were created and produced by him are being remade over and over again. There is still talent at Square like Yasumi Matsuno who is one of their best directors (ff tactics, and FFXII). Matsuno is successfully taking the FF series into the future, even though he is hanging on to the Ivalice world in all of the games he directs in the FF universe.

FainaruFantaji
10-15-2007, 09:11 AM
Final Fantasy is not dead yet!
Anyway they need improvements... But I still feel that Final Fantasy must remain exclusive for the Playstation 3...

Dragonsoul
10-15-2007, 04:27 PM
Hmm all the people who own 360's who are worried about FF coming to that platform or let a lone a decent jrpg, the father of the FF franchise (Hironobu Sakaguki) is in partnership with microsoft. He is making exclusive titles for the 360, one is out (Blue Dragon) and another one in the making Lost Odyssey. He also has Nobuo Uematsu composing the music for both titles. So the mastermind behind Final Fantasy is at hard work making good titles for the 360. It is going to be his work that decides weather or not the Japanese market will really pick up the 360.

For those of you who do not know who H. Sakaguki is, well he is the co-founder of Square Soft and original creator of the final fantasy franchise. He has produced every FF numbered title that has been made and has directed all titles up to FF5. (didn't have a part of ffxii i think, he already left at this point). Why do you think that ffxii and ffxiii looks so different from the classic battle interface.

This guy is also the mastermind/creator of the Parasite Eve, Kingdom Hearts, Vagrant Story, and various other FFspin offs or Square games. Once square merged with Enix, he resigned and started another company called Mistwalker studios which is backed by Microsoft.

Anyway, this dude is the mastermind behind the greatness of these games that square has pushed out. 360 fret not, the greatness of Sakaguchi is in the palm of your hands just watch. The greatness of the legendary composer Nobuo Uematsu is at your hands to, he has composed the music for every game in the FF franchise and has helped in spin offs.

Lost Odyssey (possible new revolutionary JRPG)
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He is also the original

Yea Hironobu Sakaguchi is great but I think that in this situation people put too much emphasis on his greatness. He directed the first five Final Fantasy games. Then he moved on to producer, then executive producer. After resigning from Square Enix he formed the Mistwalker company. He's the president of that company and is a producer and/or executive producer for all of their games.

He's great but I am not sure yet about how good the other people involved in Mistwalker are, besides Nobuo Uematsu. The seven main development positions for a Final Fantasy type rpg are: Producer, Director, Game Designer, Scenario Writer, Composer, Character Designer, and Art Director. Hironobu Sakaguchi is Executive Producer and/or Producer for the Mistwalker rpg's but I think that the Director is extremely important and maybe more important to a game than the Producer. Also, I wasn't impressed with Blue Dragon too much.

Final Fantasy had some other great Producers and Directors in the main Final Fantasy team besides Hironobu Sakaguchi. The main two guys that have taken his place are: Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama.

Here are the other recent Producers and Directors in the main Final Fantasy team, including the "slightly non-main FF games": FF IX, FF XI, FF X-2, FF XII, and FF XII: RW
Hiroyuki Itō
Shinji Hashimoto
Hiromichi Tanaka
Koichi Ishii
Yasumi Matsuno
Yasuhito Watanabe

Hynad
10-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Its actually 20 years in the past... Anyway, this whole community is dedicated to the the franchise and the talent that is behind it and obviously people here are fanboys. Since this thread is talking about people who own 360's may not be able to experience the series explicitly then perhaps they can settle for the creative talent behind it. Also the greatness of Sakaguchi still continues and is not in the past as you can see all of Square's leading franchises that were created and produced by him are being remade over and over again. There is still talent at Square like Yasumi Matsuno who is one of their best directors (ff tactics, and FFXII). Matsuno is successfully taking the FF series into the future, even though he is hanging on to the Ivalice world in all of the games he directs in the FF universe.

It's actually 10 years in the past if you consider that's around the time the series stoped progressing forwards with him at the helm.

Take a look at his games from Mistwalker and it doesn't take much to notice how his games suffer from any advancment when it comes to game designs.

Sure, games like Dragon Quest VIII proves that the classic genre is not dead and can be just as good as the new wave of more advanced games of the same genre. But this same approach he's taking shows that Sakaguchi is stuck in the past with his old game designs. There is nothing revolutionary coming out of Mistwalker as of now. The graphics will be great, the storytelling will probably be on par with the ones from Square-Enix, but the gameplay is still stuck TEN YEARS in the past.

Apart from that, your fascination for Sakaguchi is highly misplaced since he's just the producer of the game. As such, his role is more of a supervising one than a game designing one.

Also, as far as fanboys go, people can be fans of a series without being completely blind like you are. Sakaguchi didn't do anything lately to keep up with his reputation of yore. He's only rehashing a gameplay style that is more than 10 years old by adding flashy graphics and narratives so people believe they're playing something entirely new.

Blue Dragon is a good example of that. Not a bad game in itself, just nothing new when it comes to gamplay.


He's stuck in the past.

Dragonsoul
10-16-2007, 06:21 PM
Yea I thought Blue Dragon was reminiscient of older rpg's, which is good or bad depending on who you ask. I didn't like Blue Dragon much but it wasn't specifically because of that, I think that all aspects of design weren't as good as I wanted them to be.

Hynad, what is your opinion on the other two of the big 3 rpg's out this fall that are reminiscient of Final Fantasy type games: Persona 3 and Eternal Sonata?

I rented Persona 3 for three hours and it was good but I don't need to beat it. Eternal Sonata is great and I'll be beating this game within 3 days!! I'm renting it but I'm buying a copy of the game in about a half an hour! :D

Izon
10-17-2007, 09:54 AM
Sakaguchi is not stuck in the past, he made blue dragon the way it was to please the Japanese RPG fanbase who really love the classic style RPGs unlike people in the U.S. The reason that microsoft let him do that is because microsoft wants japan on the 360. Articles say that a lot of people in the states/europe doesn't like the dragon quest series. Maybe thats why people here have mixed feelings about Blue Dragon because its essentially the same type of game. Yea producers sell/manage games, so they have to know how the development is for a game and to audit it so that it can sell. I'm sure he knows exactly why the FF franchise is successful, i'm sure he had a lot to do with pretty much all of them until he left, and this is how he knows the formula.

We will see how Lost Odyssey does, apparently i'm not the only blind sakaguchi fan out there. As of late xbox 360 elites have been selling out all over japan for people awaiting the release of Lost Odyssey. The preview at TGS must have really moved some people.

(you may think my assumption below is totally bogus, but I think it makes sense... read)
I think Sakaguchi knew what sold the FF franchise, it seems like the story elements that he has previewed of LO at the TGS already has people in japan hooked. The gameplay is classic with a twist, but man its something about that story, and the music, It makes me think about FF. Blue Dragon didn't (BD made me think about Dragon Quest, hmm).

Explain to me why does Lost Odyssey make people think about final fantasy and not Blue Dragon? Sakaguchi produced successful FF games. He knows every element about the games that made them sell. The fact that the FF universe is so open, anyone can make a chapter as long as the story/plot is good and it follows the same formula.

Bascially to the point, I think Sakaguchi knows that the way the FF franchise was created that you don't have to put Final Fantasy and a number on the title to make it a final fantasy game.

Up until recently each FF game was a new world that migrated novelties from each game to make the franchise have its familiars. Seems like the franchise was built on its infrastructure and not a ongoing story about a set world and set characters. Its almost like saying that Final Fantasy is a genre or saying that Final Fantasy is a company and all its numbered titles are different franchises.

What I think Sakaguchi is doing is taking that infrastructure that Final Fantasy has molded and is making a game with it. After all he was the Producer for the franchise and part of his job was quality assurance, so he had to audit the development of the game to make sure it followed the guidelines for the franchise.

Maybe sqaure knew this would happen? Maybe thats why square is trying to turn the Final Fantasy franchise into something more into something that can be copy writed by using the same worlds and same objects even characters. Look at the numerous FF7 spin offs, remakes of Ivalice, and now we have this Fabulanova where everything is all put together?

Sakaguchi may be the only person that can really pull this off, he is slick. Using staff from previous FF games like Uematsu, and Toriyama. I've seen some characters that have appeared in Blue dragon that has appeared in the preview of Lost Odyssey. Just looking at the game, music, cutscenes, production. If nobody told me that is was a game called Lost Odyssey I would think its Final Fantasy, because it actually is in the since of how the game is developed and produced.

This is why I made the first post saying final fantasy will be on the Xbox it just won't have the FF title on it.

ROKI
10-17-2007, 10:49 AM
I have to agree that It wasnt until recently that FF games started to be in the same world. Which is intereting :/

Well Sakaguchi will find a lot of competition in the DS market

Hynad
10-17-2007, 11:22 AM
Sakaguchi is not stuck in the past, he made blue dragon the way it was to please the Japanese RPG fanbase who really love the classic style RPGs unlike people in the U.S. The reason that microsoft let him do that is because microsoft wants japan on the 360. Articles say that a lot of people in the states/europe doesn't like the dragon quest series. Maybe thats why people here have mixed feelings about Blue Dragon because its essentially the same type of game. Yea producers sell/manage games, so they have to know how the development is for a game and to audit it so that it can sell. I'm sure he knows exactly why the FF franchise is successful, i'm sure he had a lot to do with pretty much all of them until he left, and this is how he knows the formula.

We will see how Lost Odyssey does, apparently i'm not the only blind sakaguchi fan out there. As of late xbox 360 elites have been selling out all over japan for people awaiting the release of Lost Odyssey. The preview at TGS must have really moved some people.

(you may think my assumption below is totally bogus, but I think it makes sense... read)
I think Sakaguchi knew what sold the FF franchise, it seems like the story elements that he has previewed of LO at the TGS already has people in japan hooked. The gameplay is classic with a twist, but man its something about that story, and the music, It makes me think about FF. Blue Dragon didn't (BD made me think about Dragon Quest, hmm).

Explain to me why does Lost Odyssey make people think about final fantasy and not Blue Dragon? Sakaguchi produced successful FF games. He knows every element about the games that made them sell. The fact that the FF universe is so open, anyone can make a chapter as long as the story/plot is good and it follows the same formula.

Bascially to the point, I think Sakaguchi knows that the way the FF franchise was created that you don't have to put Final Fantasy and a number on the title to make it a final fantasy game.

Up until recently each FF game was a new world that migrated novelties from each game to make the franchise have its familiars. Seems like the franchise was built on its infrastructure and not a ongoing story about a set world and set characters. Its almost like saying that Final Fantasy is a genre or saying that Final Fantasy is a company and all its numbered titles are different franchises.

What I think Sakaguchi is doing is taking that infrastructure that Final Fantasy has molded and is making a game with it. After all he was the Producer for the franchise and part of his job was quality assurance, so he had to audit the development of the game to make sure it followed the guidelines for the franchise.

Maybe sqaure knew this would happen? Maybe thats why square is trying to turn the Final Fantasy franchise into something more into something that can be copy writed by using the same worlds and same objects even characters. Look at the numerous FF7 spin offs, remakes of Ivalice, and now we have this Fabulanova where everything is all put together?

Sakaguchi may be the only person that can really pull this off, he is slick. Using staff from previous FF games like Uematsu, and Toriyama. I've seen some characters that have appeared in Blue dragon that has appeared in the preview of Lost Odyssey. Just looking at the game, music, cutscenes, production. If nobody told me that is was a game called Lost Odyssey I would think its Final Fantasy, because it actually is in the since of how the game is developed and produced.

This is why I made the first post saying final fantasy will be on the Xbox it just won't have the FF title on it.

First off, Akira Toriyama never worked on a FF game. That was Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest. Secondly, most of your post are assumptions and have nothing to back them. They're just opinions. But I find it funny how you didn't contradict my claim about the gameplay. As far as sales goes, Blue Dragon sold very well on its first week, then fell off the charts pretty quickly. The game helped sell some 360s, butit didn't have much of an impact. Your argument that Sakaguchi used a classic style for his games to please the japanese crowd doesn't refute anything.

I repeat again. As far as gameplay goes, Sakaguchi hasn't evolved in more than 10 years, blind fanboy.
Any big budget company can come up with flashy graphics and narratives to fool the gamers. The gameplay matters a lot more in the end. And Sakaguchi just doesn't deserve your praise as far as it goes.

Prak
10-17-2007, 11:24 AM
Hynad, I find it hilarious that you've taken my gripes about the gameplay in the FF series not evolving and applied them here.

Hynad
10-17-2007, 11:31 AM
Really? Unlike you, I don't say they're bad or whatever.
I find his fascination for Sakaguchi and his praise for him just a little misplaced. And I voice the reason why.

It is not the same as saying classic styles of gameplay are lame or anything.
What I'm saying is that praising Sakaguchi as if he was a god, when you and I know that he didn't do much to move things forward, is completely moronic.

I still play most of the Classic FF games every years and still enjoy them. But even a fan of the series like myself have to admit things didn't evolve much when Sakaguchi was behind the games.

Prak
10-17-2007, 11:36 AM
Oh, I'm not chiding you for it. I just find it funny to see you applying them in this context.

Hynad
10-17-2007, 11:41 AM
That's the context in which I have to agree with you.

I'm not black and white mind you. But as I told you before, classic style isn't necessarily a bad thing. Not at all, even.

But to consider Sakaguchi a god (probably just because you can even spell his japanese name) is a little too much for me. Sure, he's responsible for my favorite game series (along with Mario and Zelda... Shenmue would be there is Suzuki would finish what he started, dammit!!!), but to praise him the way that fanboy does shows a lot of misinformation and blind bias that I couldn't possibly overlook.


BTW, you're entirely free to add your take on this matter.

Prak
10-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Oh no, I'm finding it more interesting to watch and laugh.

Izon
10-17-2007, 12:33 PM
I knew you would be the troll and call me out on the Toriyama statement, I was to lazy to edit that he worked with Sakaguchi in the past on other titles, I figured you'd get the point though. I don't think Sakaguchi is a god, I just know that this guy knows RPGs and if I see his name on something I know it won't be crap. I'm not knocking any other staff involved in the FF franchise but I think Sakaguchi was good staff.

I am a fan of his projects, should i be ashamed to admit that? FF1-5 and 9 were games that he either wrote or directed. Its almost like saying if a certain actor is in a movie you know the movie is going to be decent because this actor doesn't pick movies with horrible scripts and any good director/production company would pick this actor to play the lead roll of the movie. You also keep saying how little is influence was on the development aspect of the franchise after he moved to producer. The games that he did do that were old didn't suck just like the games that Akitoshi Kawazu did before he became the new ex-producer.

When I see Sakaguchi's name in something I expect excellence. Just as much as if I saw a name like Hideo Kojima.

Quantum Link
10-17-2007, 01:51 PM
Despite all the rumours, I doubt it. I think it'll be exclusive to PS3.

Izon
10-17-2007, 04:13 PM
I've been reading on the forums and have seen Hynad's name pop up. It just seems like your totally tired of the classic battle system/interface. I personally think that its that battle system that made FF unanimously qualified as a strategy RPG . I even think they knew about how much people liked that system that they really opened up and made games like Tactics for people who were hardcore about it.

I mean I meet a person that likes strategy RPGs and I tell him oh "maybe you should play FF or Tactics or Disgea"

When I looked forward to playing a new FF game I was always curious to find out what aspect of "that" system did they enhance, like "summons, spells, perks like limit breaks or button combinations, team based attacks and even the interface itself" in no way did I think "oh god I hope they got rid of that passive turn based battle system." Man that stuff isn't old, its a gameplay, a genre. Its why a lot of people play FF games. I know a lot of people who complained about the battle system in 12. Its like a thinking game more reliant on gamplan and strategic skills not twitch reflexes and button mashing.

Square has even made games for those who don't really like the strategy rpg turn based system. They are games like Secret of Mana, Kingdom Hearts, FF crystal chronicles. Most of all of square titles provide rich story telling, lovable characters and so forth, franchise tailored for your gameplay style.

I mean why do you want to change that for the FF franchise, its not old its what it is if you ask me. What makes FF so good at the strategy RPG genre is that it isn't too complex and not too simple meaning that people who really aren't too hardcore about the system can really pick it up and play as well as those who are hardcore.

I would be pissed if they changed that element of the game, thats what I want to buy it for.

Hynad
10-19-2007, 08:53 AM
I've been reading on the forums and have seen Hynad's name pop up. It just seems like your totally tired of the classic battle system/interface. I personally think that its that battle system that made FF unanimously qualified as a strategy RPG . I even think they knew about how much people liked that system that they really opened up and made games like Tactics for people who were hardcore about it.

I mean I meet a person that likes strategy RPGs and I tell him oh "maybe you should play FF or Tactics or Disgea"

When I looked forward to playing a new FF game I was always curious to find out what aspect of "that" system did they enhance, like "summons, spells, perks like limit breaks or button combinations, team based attacks and even the interface itself" in no way did I think "oh god I hope they got rid of that passive turn based battle system." Man that stuff isn't old, its a gameplay, a genre. Its why a lot of people play FF games. I know a lot of people who complained about the battle system in 12. Its like a thinking game more reliant on gamplan and strategic skills not twitch reflexes and button mashing.

Square has even made games for those who don't really like the strategy rpg turn based system. They are games like Secret of Mana, Kingdom Hearts, FF crystal chronicles. Most of all of square titles provide rich story telling, lovable characters and so forth, franchise tailored for your gameplay style.

I mean why do you want to change that for the FF franchise, its not old its what it is if you ask me. What makes FF so good at the strategy RPG genre is that it isn't too complex and not too simple meaning that people who really aren't too hardcore about the system can really pick it up and play as well as those who are hardcore.

I would be pissed if they changed that element of the game, thats what I want to buy it for.

If you don't want games to change and EVOLVE, then you should stick to Final Fantasy (the first of the name), Mario Bros, and Pitfall.

Leave the new games to those people who like to see progresses from one game to the next in a franchise. The Final Fantasy franshice has been evolving in this direction for years, and if the outcome of it all is that the game becomes more and more real-time, then so be it. You can stick to the old titles if you don't like it, or go lick Sakaguchi's ass by going his (cough**sarcasm**cough) godlike way.

I'm also wondering where you got the idea that I'm tired of the old classic type of battle systems... I replay almost every FF titles every years, and still like them. But what I think is great about the series is that the battle system changes from one title to the next. If a title presents a new kind of battle system that doesn't feel like the one from the game before it, then all the better. FF XII wouldn't have been entirely its own game if they re-used the same esper system from FF VI. FFXII, although not produced and conceived by Sakaguchi, still gives me the Final Fantasy feel when I play it.

You also say that FFXII don't require reflex and button mashing. But that's the same for all the titles in the series. In fact, when you think about it, the battle system in FFXII isn't all that far form the older games. Only this time, you get to "program" the redundant actions so you don't have to mash the buttons, and can concentrate on the more important stuff (like casting magics that fits the monsters weakness for example). Each characters still have an ATB gauge and attack when it's full. The only thing that is preventing you from seeing the similarity with the older battle systems is that you don't have to imput the commands each time. That's all there is.

As for the rest of your post... You seem to think you're the only one to know Square-Enix, and that's a bit laughable...

Square has even made games for those who don't really like the strategy rpg turn based system. They are games like Secret of Mana, Kingdom Hearts, FF crystal chronicles... bla bla bla...

Just as a reminder... You're on a FINAL FANTASY forum. Basic knowledge about Square-Enix is a given here for all the active members.

And BTW, Final Fantasy Tactics, Vandal Hearts, Front Mission and Tactics Ogre are STRATEGY "RPGs". Final Fantasy, Suikoden, Xenosaga, Dragon Quest, "Tales of" series, Skies of Arcadia, Morrowind and Persona (to name a few) are "RPGs" (although don't call them that when you talk to Prak). Try to get the right name for their type of games.

Now, as far as Sakaguchi goes, stick with him, you'll get the same battle system you've been using for 20 years. Just so you know, Sakaguchi didn't do much in a Final Fantasy game since FF VIII. The last game he wrote the story for was FFVII (which he then altered with Nomura). The last game in which he took a more active role when it comes to the design of the game was FF IX. FF VIII and X were done almost entirely without him.

So my guess is that you should have sticked to the pre-PS era.

DreamingOfAFantasy
01-22-2008, 04:38 PM
Yeah there is allot of rumors about Final Fantasy XIII coming to the xbox360. Final Fantasy dosen't belong on xbox360, only PS, and Nitendo. And if Sqaure Enix did realease it for the xobx360 then there would have been allot of people getting upset about it. And I don't think they will release it for the xbox360 because it's soon release time for the game anyway.

Prak
01-22-2008, 05:34 PM
Old thread. =/

And saying it doesn't belong on 360 or that it being released for 360 would make people mad is dumb. And that's being nice. It's actually pretty fucking retarded.

There's nothing wrong with a game being released for more consoles. It allows greater sales, and in turn, development of more games. Sure, there would be some people getting upset about it, but they'd buy the game anyway, and the only reason they'd be upset in the first place is because they're brain-dead fanfucks.

Hynad
01-25-2008, 12:21 PM
Yeah there is allot of rumors about Final Fantasy XIII coming to the xbox360. Final Fantasy dosen't belong on xbox360, only PS, and Nitendo. And if Sqaure Enix did realease it for the xobx360 then there would have been allot of people getting upset about it. And I don't think they will release it for the xbox360 because it's soon release time for the game anyway.

I can repeat most of what Prak said. But I also want to point at the fact that the game is no where near its release date. And I wonder what is your reason to believe that the series belongs to the PS and Nintendo...

Seems to me like it's only some mindless fantardness (new word? :P).

virtualchan
01-25-2008, 05:40 PM
what kind of exclusive agreement does sony have with square if any? ten, twenty ff's or something?

Unbeginning
02-23-2008, 05:33 AM
I don't want XIII to be released on 360. It will totally ruin the game! PS3 has way more graphical power and if SE is going to go with universal game instead of perfect game I'll HATE THEM FOR 3 WEEKS AND 9 MONTHS!!!!

They should take their time and make the game awesome and bug-less on PS3. While it's being sold jaw-dropping for happy ps3-mongers they should take time to brake it and make it 360-ish and than sell the dehydrated version to happy-ish 360-mongers.

AmethystRose
02-23-2008, 08:50 AM
I hate Microsoft.

I hate Microsoft.

I hate Microsoft.

But the only reason I was going to buy a PS3 was for Final Fantasy XIII. So, if it came to the 360...

No, I still wouldn't buy one. It makes no difference to me but it is very possible that it will come out on the 360 as well. I mean, it seems alot of games that were "rumored" to be released for both were so. Devil May Cry used to be a Sony exclusive.

virtualchan
02-23-2008, 06:34 PM
i read on kotaku i think a few days ago that they had an interview with the FF dudes and they said the new technology/engines they are creating would be used for creating games on multiple platforms, including ps3, xbox, and pc

Unbeginning
02-24-2008, 04:26 AM
i read on kotaku i think a few days ago that they had an interview with the FF dudes and they said the new technology/engines they are creating would be used for creating games on multiple platforms, including ps3, xbox, and pc

So they WERE going to ruin the game by making it multi-flat-forms. I bet the next thing we'll know is that there will be no difficulty so the game could reach wider audience. SCREW!

[edit]: So...eh...hihi...lol...emm how are things with versus?

execrable gumwrapper
02-24-2008, 04:35 AM
Does anyone else find the idiocy of the fanboys just adorable?

virtualchan
02-24-2008, 08:09 PM
huh? u think the FF games are hard?? compared to what, pokeman???

PizzalixFFfan
02-24-2008, 10:35 PM
i thought the 360 was not a reliable console, so can it handle the hours of the game?

Unbeginning
02-25-2008, 04:36 PM
huh? u think the FF games are hard?? compared to what, pokeman???

That's a problem, FFs are normally too easy already.

I hope FF13 unlocks a special difficulty level where you continue with everything you ended with when starting a new game on it, but adjusting the game to that. (Something like Icewind Dale 2 had for 15+ parties.(max lvl was 30 there)) The first game still being a challenge of it's own, of course.

The game still could add an 'easy' difficulty to choose from for people who haven't played FF before. Which is a backup thing since most people who want FF are the people who know FF.

[edit]: Oh, and I wouldn't mind if they ALSO did that dungeon thing like in FFx where you could take on monsters that were tons more challenging than the final boss(Which had it's charms, but wasn't very impressive for a final fantasy final boss.)