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Alvinz
08-04-2006, 10:22 AM
Not that i want this to happen but i'm saying round bout
FF XVIII

Final Fantasy 18

ekinserge
08-04-2006, 10:27 AM
i bet there will be final fantasy unlimited

Denny
08-04-2006, 10:31 AM
Pretty silly question tbh. :/

Still, there`s nothing to say they`ll go belly-up anytime soon that`s for sure.

barretboy14
08-04-2006, 10:35 AM
Final could stop as soon as they can think of something better that makes them more money which could take a miracle as FF12 has already sold 2,000,000 copies making Squaresoft big $$$

also Denny 5555 posts, you don't see that every day!

jewess crabcake
08-04-2006, 12:34 PM
Probably soon a new generation of gamers is being born turn-based night not be so popular anymore. It may just be the longest running fad.

Vaincast
08-04-2006, 05:12 PM
i bet there will be final fantasy unlimited

heh, thats actualy an anime final fantasy
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It might stop when they're in the early FF30s. It might gonna end when Tetsuya Nomoru dies or Nobou Uemastu. I'm not sure, just as long all the games are good

Alvinz
08-05-2006, 01:39 AM
lol that anime sucked to be honest.

Square Enix will break and fall when PS4 comes out, if there ever will be a ps4. Seriously the future of gaming looks very cloudy.

measter yazoo
08-05-2006, 04:05 AM
They might even go on making them untill we run out of fossil fuels and most of our electricity which seemingly will be in something like 20 years

The Lost One
08-05-2006, 09:16 AM
Kewl, they'll continue with games whatsoever, maybe not FF, but remember that they've made tons of other good games (Star Ocean etc.), the have enough ideas to create more.

Meet the Jim
08-05-2006, 09:22 AM
I hope they make a lot more CRPG style games, but in my opinion they need to stop all this side game thing. Sure its good publicity but the long time FF players that I have spoken to all agree with me on this subject.

matt damon
08-05-2006, 01:48 PM
i don't want them to stop making FFs. at least not until they make a sequel to 8 and 9 and another installment to X, and making it very heartfelt and sad like X. i liked X-2, but it was really a contrast to FFX. and maybe when they turn a plot i made up into a game.

jewess crabcake
08-06-2006, 09:47 AM
i don't want them to stop making FFs. at least not until they make a sequel to 8 and 9 and another installment to X, and making it very heartfelt and sad like X. i liked X-2, but it was really a contrast to FFX. and maybe when they turn a plot i made up into a game.
Don't take this the wrong way but... are you a girl?

Silfurabbit
08-06-2006, 06:46 PM
i bet there will be final fantasy unlimited
there is. or maybe its ultimate.

BizarroSephiroth
08-06-2006, 07:53 PM
FF CMLXXXII. That would be 982.

Joey
08-07-2006, 02:55 AM
You must remember that Square has been through a whole lot.
Such as when, FFI was not created yet, and Square's business and suceess was rapidly decreasing.
There is a lot that can happen in a single year that can change things for many years to come.


Seriously the future of gaming looks very cloudy.

When hasn't the future seemed cloudy in any aspect? When video games were first introduced it was definately the cool thing to have/be doing.
Then over a time of about 15 years it turned into this geeky, nerdy, loser thing to do.
Yet, tons upon tons of people still play video games because of how fast things are getting electronicaly advanced.


To answer your question, SE will always have its downfalls and uprisings, but hopefully they can stay around just long enough.

Gentleman Ghost
08-07-2006, 03:06 AM
haha Thats a nice Summarization of this thread Joey!
good on you! :smrt:

measter yazoo
08-07-2006, 03:56 AM
They will stop when they run out of ideas obviously or when the director of ff retires

Calgar
08-07-2006, 04:43 AM
probly once the director or anyother major part of square-enix retires before they run out of ideas which is quite a while away

matt damon
08-07-2006, 11:45 AM
Don't take this the wrong way but... are you a girl?
i'm not offended and no, i am not a girl

Dark Mage626
08-15-2006, 05:19 AM
Well Final Fantasy is really popular now. But it seems things are starting to go down hill. I'm excited about 12....But I'm not all that sure about 13... The whole spin off thing and stuff. I think they're taking it to far. I think I'm happy with my VII, VIII, IX, X and XII - 100's of hours of gameplay right there! If square is able to create something really spectacular to get the new generation of gamers interested in FF and RPG's than that would be good. But it seems that Action games such as GTA are becoming the popular thing now days...I'm not a fan of GTA myself, but I hear it's good.

I hope the Final Fantasy series will end soon. End with a big BANG. Something really spectacular. But with the price of the PS3 who knows how many people will by a PS3 to experience it all. All this talk makes me wanna play FFIX. Gotto love Final Fantasy. :)

jj984jj
08-15-2006, 07:27 AM
It'll never end, as long as S-E keeps making money on FF and DQ they will never end.

Alvinz
08-15-2006, 11:57 PM
Oh But it will. If S-E makes one really really shit FF, or people lose interest in RPGS it will end. And if that doesn't happen, eventually the people you love who make FF will retire or die (except for Nobou) and when the new generation comes, if they don't live up to the standards, S-E will die.

jj984jj
08-16-2006, 12:59 AM
Well if people lose interest in RPGs, the sales will go down, which means I'm not wrong. ^_^

Alvinz
08-16-2006, 06:15 AM
ehhh. S-E will just try to make other genre games that will fail *coughDirgeofCeberuscough* Sorry, have a cold :D :D :D.

dark phoenix
08-16-2006, 08:04 AM
It will be either when they run out of ideas or when everyone loses intrest in RPGs

Zankard5
10-03-2006, 06:09 PM
I have a feeling that ff will end by ffxv(15) or so because nothing lasts forever especially ultimately awsome things like ff

dtpena
10-29-2006, 04:21 PM
NEVEEEERRRR!!!

Mr.Hazard
10-29-2006, 04:28 PM
I have heard rumours that Square-Enix might be making future FFs onto the X-Box/X-Box 360 and change their game titles. Just a rumour. I don't think it is likely.

Gilthanos
10-29-2006, 05:03 PM
Well.. I don't know about that, but .. one of the creators of Final Fantasy is indeed on his own and now making a game for the 360 entitled Blue Dragon.

dtpena
10-29-2006, 07:04 PM
yeah, it's a bunch of FF crew who formed Mistwalker, but blue dragon is not my kind of game.

The next step for Square-Enix is buying Level5, then they would be unstoppable and archieve world domination

Gilthanos
10-29-2006, 07:06 PM
lol

Yeah blue dragon seems like it is rip off of Okami. That was a fun game, I admit, but.. just doesn't seem original if Blue Dragon similiar. One thing I love about Final Fantasies is that they are original. Every one of them. Every game is new and sets a new bar for other companies to try to strive for. It would be hard to see something come from the same producers that isn't .. original.

magoloko
11-01-2006, 05:56 AM
in my opinion even Square and FF will never ends, especially FF because every game is a new game, the number after Final Fantasy is just to make ppl dont buy the same game twice, every FF is a brand new game, Breath of Fire for example is a game with a short life because every game is the same Ryu with the same butterfly chick.

Zachron
11-01-2006, 12:45 PM
What you say is not true in one bit. Yes Square-Enix is an endurant and persistant company that was formed by the merging of two very endurant and persistant companies, but it is not immune to things that kill such companies to this day. For one thing nothing can replace people. New people are born, but new people are born with new gifts, old gifst and creativity are lost when the older generation dies. If the new gifts and creativity of the new generation are not able to be honed by the old generation into a newer version of the old generation's ways, then the ways of the old generation are lost, and once those ways are lost, then the ways that made the group sucessful are lost.

Mario Kinnikuman
11-01-2006, 01:39 PM
What you say is not true in one bit. Yes Square-Enix is an endurant and persistant company that was formed by the merging of two very endurant and persistant companies, but it is not immune to things that kill such companies to this day. For one thing nothing can replace people. New people are born, but new people are born with new gifts, old gifst and creativity are lost when the older generation dies. If the new gifts and creativity of the new generation are not able to be honed by the old generation into a newer version of the old generation's ways, then the ways of the old generation are lost, and once those ways are lost, then the ways that made the group sucessful are lost.

Quoted for truth.

Arcanine
11-01-2006, 01:59 PM
And in this case it looks like platform models/types and the joining of companies is going to bring about the end, or fading away, of Square.


To answer your question, SE will always have its downfalls and uprisings, but hopefully they can stay around just long enough.

Just one title doens't constitute the economic structure of the company, although I can empathize with the fact that Final Fantasy is something genuine that most would like to see continue being successful but not be so dragged out that it turns into the company that has to be desperate with grey remakes like resident evil or silent hill (that's how it's gone past the edge of 4 or 5 series) by losing the ability to make individual games. References to past games are okay but making a second or third of one final fantasy like X and X-2 and XII being like XI can lead it to that dead end of no creativity.

I hope the Final Fantasy series will end soon. End with a big BANG. Something really spectacular. But with the price of the PS3 who knows how many people will by a PS3 to experience it all. All this talk makes me wanna play FFIX. Gotto love Final Fantasy.
But neither would some want it to stop so abrubtly at one totally awesome title, as fitting as it seems, because of the shock of losing that genuine heart-felt line of entertainment. But XI's got a good foot-hold for a while anyway..

Gilthanos
11-01-2006, 02:40 PM
in my opinion even Square and FF will never ends, especially FF because every game is a new game, the number after Final Fantasy is just to make ppl dont buy the same game twice, every FF is a brand new game, Breath of Fire for example is a game with a short life because every game is the same Ryu with the same butterfly chick.

Breath of Fire.. yes.. same main characters with different worlds and different stories.. LAME-OOOOHHH

Zachron
11-02-2006, 07:15 PM
Just one title doens't constitute the economic structure of the company, although I can empathize with the fact that Final Fantasy is something genuine that most would like to see continue being successful but not be so dragged out that it turns into the company that has to be desperate with grey remakes like resident evil or silent hill (that's how it's gone past the edge of 4 or 5 series) by losing the ability to make individual games. References to past games are okay but making a second or third of one final fantasy like X and X-2 and XII being like XI can lead it to that dead end of no creativity.

But neither would some want it to stop so abrubtly at one totally awesome title, as fitting as it seems, because of the shock of losing that genuine heart-felt line of entertainment. But XI's got a good foot-hold for a while anyway..

There is just one massive flaw in that logic of yours. Yes Final Fantasy has been, Square's flagship franchise, and Dragon Quest was Enix's flagship franchise, but neither company relied entirely on either franchise. Square Enix currently holds Final Fantasy as their flagship franchies for a good reason, it's very sucessful. But, also, Dragon Quest is still developing sequels. Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean, Seiken Densetsu(the mana series.), Front Mission, and a myriad of others, are active franchises, that make much profit for the company.

Befor you claim the company is in decline, I would like to see that decline you have been talking about. I know that sounds counter to my previous post, but what I said, is simply that the downfall is inevitable. That my no stretch of the imagination even implies that said downfall has already started. What I said of the generational shifts in my previous post can apply simply to the end of the Final Fantasy franchise. A new generation may be able to breath new life into the company with a new franchise even if it fails to conform to the norms and expectations of the old generation, but a new and insolent generation (which is also an inevitability) could squander the resources of the corporation, through ill thought out game concepts and monetary embezzlements, or through simply failing to reinvest profits into the business, causing the business to stagnate and thus fail to compete. Regardless of how good or poor the games themselves are, it will more likely be dead-beat business practices that bring about the company's downfall. And while this company's current set of leaders might have good business practices, that doesn't mean their sucessors or their sucessors' successors will.

In short, STFU, And don't nay-say a company, you know very little about!

Mr E. Stalker
12-31-2006, 03:09 PM
Square-Enix will stop making Final Fantasy in 2055. Dragon Quest XVII will take over (The new gaming system will be a small square-shaped-mind-control-mechanism). There. I did a Nostradomus.

J. Peterman
12-31-2006, 07:34 PM
FINAL FANTASY II

Alvinz
12-31-2006, 10:40 PM
Square-Enix will stop making Final Fantasy in 2055. Dragon Quest XVII will take over (The new gaming system will be a small square-shaped-mind-control-mechanism). There. I did a Nostradomus.

WRONG! It has been officially predicted that virtual gaming will be made publicly available in the next 30 years. So we'll be all old men... kinda sucks.

Joey
12-31-2006, 11:35 PM
officially predicted


Sounds like an oxymoron.

Gentleman Ghost
12-31-2006, 11:37 PM
FINAL FANTASY II

Mr E. Stalker
01-01-2007, 10:34 AM
Ok, who's got my potion for immortality? I had it right here, damn you! Ahh to live forever, and play Final Fantasy 'til the end of time... Well, not just Final Fantasy, but there are a TON of other shit I wanna do... toss a steak between two bums so they fight over it... play more RPGs... sex up my gal more often... read more books... watch more movies.... drink a SHITLOAD of beer... I could try every brand known to man... write my books... Ahh that'd be awesome.

DeathShining
01-02-2007, 07:18 AM
Id go with tossing a bottle of whisky or some other high % alcoholic beverage rather than a steak it would be more entertaining.

fairchild
01-02-2007, 02:09 PM
There is just one massive flaw in that logic of yours. Yes Final Fantasy has been, Square's flagship franchise, and Dragon Quest was Enix's flagship franchise, but neither company relied entirely on either franchise. Square Enix currently holds Final Fantasy as their flagship franchies for a good reason, it's very sucessful. But, also, Dragon Quest is still developing sequels. Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean, Seiken Densetsu(the mana series.), Front Mission, and a myriad of others, are active franchises, that make much profit for the company.

Befor you claim the company is in decline, I would like to see that decline you have been talking about. I know that sounds counter to my previous post, but what I said, is simply that the downfall is inevitable. That my no stretch of the imagination even implies that said downfall has already started. What I said of the generational shifts in my previous post can apply simply to the end of the Final Fantasy franchise. A new generation may be able to breath new life into the company with a new franchise even if it fails to conform to the norms and expectations of the old generation, but a new and insolent generation (which is also an inevitability) could squander the resources of the corporation, through ill thought out game concepts and monetary embezzlements, or through simply failing to reinvest profits into the business, causing the business to stagnate and thus fail to compete. Regardless of how good or poor the games themselves are, it will more likely be dead-beat business practices that bring about the company's downfall. And while this company's current set of leaders might have good business practices, that doesn't mean their sucessors or their sucessors' successors will.

In short, STFU, And don't nay-say a company, you know very little about!

Woa Woa Woa! Chill out dude. I don't think he was bashing/nay-saying anything. All he was doing is pointing out the possibility/probability of a company failing in SE's position.

I found it comical when I matched both of your initial sentences in your replies. You bring a pretty negative tone here don't you :-X

CLOUD ZANZA
01-05-2007, 09:42 AM
I don't really think square will fall any time soon. As long as US, their loyal fans buy and play their games thay will be forever great.

Prak
01-05-2007, 10:16 AM
Yes, because greatness is certainly defined by having a legion of morons who buy things based on a brand name instead of quality to suck their merchandise!

ffemtlee
01-05-2007, 11:23 AM
...and we break into hateful comments... funny, someone who obviously hates final fantasy, being in the final fantasy shrine, with almost 7.5 thousand posts... i bet they are all hateful... lighten up and play nice

Prak
01-05-2007, 12:07 PM
You have a problem with hate, spite, or any of those other supposedly negative emotions? Tough luck, junior. They serve a purpose and I'm damn well gonna use them.

Did I ever say I disliked the series in general? I make no secret of the fact that I detest several of them, but it's not the same thing. And even if was, it's hardly any business of a random cunt I'll forget about in five minutes.

barretboy14
01-05-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm saying they will have a huge argument and the great squaresoft empire will crumble around about next Tuesday.

kilgoretrout25
01-05-2007, 01:35 PM
duh, when they sit on a wall......and all the kings horses and all the kings men can't put them back together again. simple really. nuf said on this post.