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Vincent Valintine
07-11-2006, 11:05 AM
Is Shinra really that bad? I think Shinra is bad that there sucking the life out of the planet, but good that there providing energy for the people. thats just my opinion

jewess crabcake
07-11-2006, 11:27 AM
Why this?
Why now?

Vincent Valintine
07-11-2006, 12:06 PM
Why this

Because its a qeustion that needs answeres

Razorbunny
07-11-2006, 12:10 PM
Why this

Because its a qeustion that needs answeres

1.Try to spell your dumbass reasons right.
2. Why do you want an answer that's already painfully clear?

TeknoBlade
07-11-2006, 12:26 PM
Yeah Shinra is that bad; they're using the lifestream, which consists of souls of dead people, to generate energy for the living, all while profiting from it. In a way it closely resembles modern technology, since fossil fuels are dead beings, yet it's also much worse - the lifestream recycles souls, meaning that they're eternally processing, while bones are only temporary vessels.

They're stealing souls that would one day be used again, and that's indeed morally wrong. Question answered?

fastidious percolator
07-11-2006, 12:36 PM
^_^ What a silly thread.

PontiusPilate
07-11-2006, 12:50 PM
Shinra represents greed

The Anti-Existence
07-11-2006, 03:20 PM
Shinra also started the Jenova Project which mad eall the main story of FFVII transpire. Then they crushed all of the Sector 7 Slums. Then they don't care one ounce about the lives and damage lost and just continue on looking for further wealth in the Promised Land. They also beat the ounce proud Wutai into a tourist trap.

That should do. Idiot.

Vincent Valintine
07-11-2006, 03:26 PM
fine jesus i didnt think you guy would be asses

PontiusPilate
07-11-2006, 04:05 PM
fine jesus i didnt think you guy would be asses

What the hell's wrong if someone wanted to know about Shinra. If you don't like it or don't want to answer it then, don't post stupid shit about how much you don't like it. Unless if it's something along the lines anything rkrider or hal0master wrote.

Don't worry Vincent, their just dicks to anyone who just started off or likes Final Fantasy VII. But just to avoid future conflict, explain everything you write and spell it right so they don't have anything on you.

jewess crabcake
07-11-2006, 06:37 PM
fine jesus i didnt think you guy would be assesThis is what FFS is about I know you're new but you'll get used to it

Shuriken
07-11-2006, 06:58 PM
Shinra is evil, Avalanche is evil. If you have to be evil, might as well go all the way in, not be some pansy ass pretending to be good.;-)

PontiusPilate
07-11-2006, 07:10 PM
I think they tried to be good but they used the "sacrafices must be made for the greater good" method

Shuriken
07-11-2006, 09:23 PM
I think they tried to be good but they used the "sacrafices must be made for the greater good" method
They deluded themselves.

snakeater
07-11-2006, 09:32 PM
thats a bit harsh of a response, settle down its just a question

Awesome_Bryan
07-12-2006, 03:35 AM
Is Shinra really that bad? I think Shinra is bad that there sucking the life out of the planet, but good that there providing energy for the people. thats just my opinion

interesting question, Shinra are obviously fully aware of the harm they are doing to the planet and the further damage behind using mako. But at the same time its like real life, power company's and governments know the damage they are doing, but they only get away with it because WE keep using there energy.

What i'm saying is Shinra can only destroy the planet as far as the consumers let them. Its the dam populations fault more than anyone.

And to everyone being negative leave it out. whats the point in a forum if the only threads answered properly are those only a handful of people happen to agree with? Have some respect dudes.

PontiusPilate
07-12-2006, 06:22 AM
thats a bit harsh of a response, settle down its just a question

If you want a forum where everyone is nice to each other, I suggest EoFF.

TeknoBlade
07-12-2006, 10:16 PM
fine jesus i didnt think you guy would be asses

I wasn't being an ass =\

Vincent Valintine
07-13-2006, 10:45 AM
I suggest EoFF
i already gotta name on that loinharte

I wasn't being an ass
i know i got kinda pissed

Desert Wolf
07-13-2006, 11:09 AM
If you want a forum where everyone is nice to each other, I suggest EoFF.

There too nice. Id kill the bastards if I posted there much.

Vincent Valintine
07-13-2006, 11:11 AM
theres alot of people on that site its like newyork for FF forums

fastidious percolator
07-13-2006, 11:23 AM
its like newyork for FF forums

The New York of FF forums? So they think they're clever 'cause they know how to curse in more than one language? :p

Vincent Valintine
07-13-2006, 11:27 AM
?

PontiusPilate
07-13-2006, 11:39 AM
The New York of FF forums? So they think they're clever 'cause they know how to curse in more than one language? :p

Their not aloud to swear. This is a positive newyork where fanboys can run free without being insulted

Vincent Valintine
07-13-2006, 11:42 AM
awesom:-D

Desert Wolf
07-13-2006, 11:46 AM
Their not aloud to swear. This is a positive newyork where fanboys can run free without being insulted

FFShrine ftw!

Vincent Valintine
07-13-2006, 11:49 AM
FFShrine is a bit better for that fact

PontiusPilate
07-13-2006, 09:27 PM
eh, EoFF is a good forum to be at if you want to have a question answered or helped with something.

FFS doesn't get anything accomplished but it's just entertaining

Genova
07-15-2006, 01:23 PM
Of course its Bad. If it wasn't bad then it wouldn't be over with the bad guys.

cloud_644
07-16-2006, 11:24 AM
Shinra's an evil company in FFVII, but they seem to do good in Advent Children.

Awesome_Bryan
07-17-2006, 01:37 AM
Shinra's an evil company in FFVII, but they seem to do good in Advent Children.

Like hand over the Jenova cells?

Of course we did get to see the cool side of the turks!

LingLing
07-17-2006, 02:29 AM
Like hand over the Jenova cells?

Of course we did get to see the cool side of the turks!

rufus didnt hand the cells over... get it right!!! and shinra was good in the movie because they were trying to repay the planet for what they had done... eh thats what he said but i dont eally think he meant it >_<

Awesome_Bryan
07-17-2006, 04:21 AM
rufus didnt hand the cells over... get it right!!! and shinra was good in the movie because they were trying to repay the planet for what they had done... eh thats what he said but i dont eally think he meant it >_<

Rufus could have hidden them at any point, but instead chose to keep them on his person and reveal them right in front of Kadaj. He may not have handed them over but he certainly gave them a dam good easily avoidable oppertunity to get them.

Also if i remember just moments before that, or in a previous conversation he refers to all the havoc going on and Kadaj's gangs plan as 'the most fun hes had in a while' or words to that effect. He seemed pleased Kadaj was being a gargantuan cock head. So i dont think he personally was trying to sort out anything! I think the Turks were tho, the jenova cells being kept on his person was all down to him personally.

just mho! =)

cloud_644
07-17-2006, 09:24 AM
Like hand over the Jenova cells?

Of course we did get to see the cool side of the turks!

No, they didnt hand over the cells, Rufus threw them over the edge and wasn't aiming for Kadaj to catch them :P

Awesome_Bryan
07-17-2006, 09:36 AM
No, they didnt hand over the cells, Rufus threw them over the edge and wasn't aiming for Kadaj to catch them :P

And as i just fucking said he had any oppertunity to hide them miles underground or burn them or secure them, and he decided to show them right in front of Kadaj and his gang when he has only 2 turks for protection. That coupled with the fact he tells Kadaj this is the most fun hes had in ages shows he is just playing games and not acting in the best interest of the planet. He even fucking smiles when hes falling from the building and shoots the box open, as he said he was enjoying it! Yeah he was really upset that he just jeopardised the whole god damned planet. He was obviously just making the cells game for anyone, Clouds team or Kadaj's.

Fucker if you wanna disagree with me good, lets talk, but for fucks sake dont use an argument ive just ripped in a previous post.

Prak
07-17-2006, 09:37 AM
It never ceases to amuse me how some people will desperately search for a deeper meaning to something that is obviously flawed on a fundamental level in a desperate attempt to give it value and justify their liking of it.

Awesome_Bryan
07-17-2006, 09:42 AM
It never ceases to amuse me how some people will desperately search for a deeper meaning to something that is obviously flawed on a fundamental level in a desperate attempt to give it value and justify their liking of it.

This is a simle discusion as to whether Rufus/Shinra were trying to help or not.

So what is it about rufus's dialogue that is 'obviously flawed on a fundamental level'.....? im very curious for your input

Prak
07-17-2006, 10:08 AM
What I mean is that you're scrambling to find a deeper meaning in a situation that would have had it explained if such a thing existed. Any writer worth a damn would have made mention of such a thing if it was as you suggest, simply because character motivation is one of the most important things to understand in a given scenario. The fact that it is not mentioned implies that it was merely inconsistent writing and has no deeper meaning.

TeknoBlade
07-17-2006, 02:29 PM
Not at all. Most people enjoy figuring things out for themselves instead of being told what exactly happened, and writers are giving their readers a chance to do that. And if everything was spelled out exactly as the writers intended in Final Fantasy games, there would hardly be any discussion over them and the games would die. It's not a fundamental flaw as much as it is a controversial topic with implied meanings intentionally left unexplained to benefit the series.

Prak
07-17-2006, 02:42 PM
Figuring things out for themselves is all well and good, but it's pretty clear that this is simply a case of inconsistent writing, where the character's actions are written around the needs of the story with no regard to the character's nature.

As I explained before, character motivation must always be understood. It's a general rule of writing. Look anywhere, even in FFVII, and you can always tell what the motives are for a character to perform a given action. An action taken without a motive for it is bad writing. To not give the motive if one exists is bad writing because it removes the context from a character's actions.

To see how to properly handle chaaracter motivations, I'd point you to another work of popular fantasy: the Harry Potter series. Snape's motives are still not known for sure, but hints about them have been dropped. They often conflict each other, but it gives people fuel for arguments over the character's nature. In the end, the character's true nature and motives will be revealed, however, as they should be. (Please do not contest this particular analogy, as this is not a Harry Potter discussion. It is merely an analogy to illustrate a point.)

Also, your comment about everything not being spelled out to create discussion is easily dispelled by pointing out the existence of the Ultimania guides, which explain pretty much every detail of the more ambiguous games. That clearly shows that they weren't made to be ambiguous at all.

Awesome_Bryan
07-18-2006, 01:32 AM
The fact that it is not mentioned implies that it was merely inconsistent writing and has no deeper meaning.

And what is not mentioned Prof. Prak? As far as i can tell i have only reffered to actual events in the film and parts of Rufus's dialogue, and what my natural conclusion to that is!

So...what isnt mentioned Prak?

Desert Wolf
07-18-2006, 06:48 AM
Unless there is no motive;)

Vincent Valintine
07-18-2006, 11:29 AM
? been gone for awhile whats happenen

cloud_644
07-20-2006, 11:19 AM
Figuring things out for themselves is all well and good, but it's pretty clear that this is simply a case of inconsistent writing, where the character's actions are written around the needs of the story with no regard to the character's nature.

As I explained before, character motivation must always be understood. It's a general rule of writing. Look anywhere, even in FFVII, and you can always tell what the motives are for a character to perform a given action. An action taken without a motive for it is bad writing. To not give the motive if one exists is bad writing because it removes the context from a character's actions.

To see how to properly handle chaaracter motivations, I'd point you to another work of popular fantasy: the Harry Potter series. Snape's motives are still not known for sure, but hints about them have been dropped. They often conflict each other, but it gives people fuel for arguments over the character's nature. In the end, the character's true nature and motives will be revealed, however, as they should be. (Please do not contest this particular analogy, as this is not a Harry Potter discussion. It is merely an analogy to illustrate a point.)

Also, your comment about everything not being spelled out to create discussion is easily dispelled by pointing out the existence of the Ultimania guides, which explain pretty much every detail of the more ambiguous games. That clearly shows that they weren't made to be ambiguous at all.

Prak, no-one gives a shit about wt you say. You're not even a Final Fantasy fan at all and just snoop these forums to look for trouble.

Sorry, Awesome_Bryan! I didn't mean to be gobby or nuthink m8. You have a point - Rufus could've destroyed those Jenova Cells instead of keeping them which offered trouble. But even if he was smiling, you could describe Rufus as an 'anti-hero'. Oh well, let's just say you're right, 'cause I'm always wrong lol

Prak
07-20-2006, 11:29 AM
Generic Cloud fanboy moron, no one gives a shit about what you say. You are making ridiculous assumptions and launching absurd attacks against people that are far more intelligent than you could ever dream of being. You fail at life.

You also fail for your atrocious spelling. Nuthink? It's the same number of letters as nothing, so it's not even easier to type. The only possible reason for you to do that is because you somehow think it's cool. And the only reason for that is that you are a worthless punk who rejects grammar just because you want to look like a moron in order to be accepted by other morons who are just as pretentious in their idiocy.

Joey
07-20-2006, 02:23 PM
You also fail for your atrocious spelling. Nuthink? It's the same number of letters as nothing, so it's not even easier to type. The only possible reason for you to do that is because you somehow think it's cool. And the only reason for that is that you are a worthless punk who rejects grammar just because you want to look like a moron in order to be accepted by other morons who are just as pretentious in their idiocy.


Haha, nice Prak. That had me laughing for like 5 minutes.

cloud_644
07-21-2006, 12:59 AM
Generic Cloud fanboy moron, no one gives a shit about what you say. You are making ridiculous assumptions and launching absurd attacks against people that are far more intelligent than you could ever dream of being. You fail at life.

You also fail for your atrocious spelling. Nuthink? It's the same number of letters as nothing, so it's not even easier to type. The only possible reason for you to do that is because you somehow think it's cool. And the only reason for that is that you are a worthless punk who rejects grammar just because you want to look like a moron in order to be accepted by other morons who are just as pretentious in their idiocy.

Prak, no-one gives a fuck about you 'cause you're never nice to people and the only reason you come on these forums is to be rude to people. Tell me, Prak, please, 'cause it's been wrestling my mind - why don't you go cause trouble in another forum that is actually based on a subject that you LIKE and leave us fanboys in peace? I apologised for my rudeness to Awesome_Bryan, but to mean spiteful gits like you, Prak, you don't deserve it because you're the bloody same. Get a life, you stupid prick and get some REAL friends. By the looks of your avatar, you're a mouse, so how about you crawl back in your fucking hole and leave us alone?

Joey
07-21-2006, 02:39 AM
leave us fanboys in peace

Speak for yourself douchebag.

Desert Wolf
07-21-2006, 07:15 AM
Let my people go!

Prak
07-21-2006, 12:40 PM
I roffled, DW.

Awesome_Bryan
07-22-2006, 06:35 AM
Prak, no-one gives a shit about wt you say. You're not even a Final Fantasy fan at all and just snoop these forums to look for trouble.

Sorry, Awesome_Bryan! I didn't mean to be gobby or nuthink m8. You have a point - Rufus could've destroyed those Jenova Cells instead of keeping them which offered trouble. But even if he was smiling, you could describe Rufus as an 'anti-hero'. Oh well, let's just say you're right, 'cause I'm always wrong lol

Nah sorry mate, i was being a moody cunt, bad day at work. I meant to apolagise, if were not here to listen to eachovers opinions what are we here for!=)

Vincent Valintine
07-22-2006, 05:47 PM
a moody cunt?

Andyuk
07-22-2006, 06:52 PM
I doubt the story is so simple that Shinra could ever be called 'Good' or 'Evil'.

Because even during the ff7 game they try to destroy meteor by launching Cid's rocket at it.
And they use the 'sister ray' to... either kill weapon or kill sephiroth, i forget which.

And remember avalanche bomb reactors, so are they good? are Shinra bad?

you will never get a definite conclusion to that answer.

cloud_644
07-24-2006, 08:22 AM
']Speak for yourself douchebag.

I meant FF fanboys you dumass. Stop sticking up for that pricka nd get a life./

Hex Omega
07-24-2006, 08:31 AM
I think your the one who needs a life. Prak is perfectly amicible to those that deserve it. Going around having a coronary because one person(on the internet no less) is calling you on your stupidity is pretty fucking pathetic.


To avoid spam, yes Shinra are evil, anyone who crushes an entire city has something wrong with them.

Desert Wolf
07-24-2006, 08:31 AM
I roffled, DW.

Had to be said.


I meant FF fanboys you dumass. Stop sticking up for that pricka nd get a life./

Lets send him some hatemail!

cloud_644
07-24-2006, 08:35 AM
Had to be said.



Lets send him some hatemail!

Me?

cloud_644
07-24-2006, 08:50 AM
I think your the one who needs a life. Prak is perfectly amicible to those that deserve it. Going around having a coronary because one person(on the internet no less) is calling you on your stupidity is pretty fucking pathetic.


To avoid spam, yes Shinra are evil, anyone who crushes an entire city has something wrong with them.

I've seen Prak pick on loads of people. Once, there was an entire topic written by someone whom had been recently picked on by Prak! I've been picked on by Prak loads of time on my old account, Astrin24. Someone who's mean deserves to have someone be mean back to them.

Prak
07-24-2006, 08:51 AM
Oh my. Is that nooblet still here? And he's still making juvenile attempts at insults also! How sad that the human genome has degraded this far.

cloud_644
07-24-2006, 08:56 AM
Oh my. Is that nooblet still here? And he's still making juvenile attempts at insults also! How sad that the human genome has degraded this far.

How sad is it that Prak's always insulting people on forums that are based on things he doesn't like? He stopped and counted the letters on 'nuthink' for god's sake. So sad. Just a little boy, being funny cos his mommy forgot his dummy.

Prak
07-24-2006, 08:58 AM
Oh, so you're that astrin cunt, are you? Didn't you get banned or something?

cloud_644
07-24-2006, 09:03 AM
Well it seems so, I don't how I got banned cos I seem to be saying more evil things now than I did on that account

Vincent Valintine
07-24-2006, 11:51 AM
right WTF is happenin this isnt a fucken UFC thread

stop haten

thefallen
07-24-2006, 01:14 PM
I declare this a UFC thread.

Please continue the 'haten'.

Vincent Valintine
07-26-2006, 11:26 AM
I declare this a UFC thread.

Please continue the 'haten'.

fuckit whos the first round gonna be