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Memento Mori
06-13-2006, 01:24 PM
OMG, I SOOOOOO LUUVVVEDD FFAC, I BE SUCH A FANBOY, AND, I CANNOT CUM UP WITH GOOD REASON TO KNOW WHY I LIEK FFAC SOOO MUCH BUT, IM A FANBOY, PRAK PLLLZZZ MAK FUN OF MEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, this thread was so much fun to read, I figured I'd relaunch it... :)

Desert Wolf
06-13-2006, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the relaunch. I dont suppose you have my 2 novels I posted here lying around do you?

Top Cat
06-13-2006, 02:04 PM
you didn't have them saved locally?

Denny
06-13-2006, 02:15 PM
Fuck this thread. This isn`t a relaunch.

Bullshit.

Desert Wolf
06-13-2006, 02:45 PM
you didn't have them saved locally?
Well I never thought this would happen. From now on anything over 2 sentences is being saved. *saves*

Top Cat
06-13-2006, 02:48 PM
to be honest you should save local copies anyway, if only to prove ownership. it's a really bad idea putting anything on the internet that you don't have a backup of on your computer - or even just another website is better.

Memento Mori
06-13-2006, 03:17 PM
ADVENT CHILDREN PWNZ J000000

Redbat
06-13-2006, 03:22 PM
I've generally left video games/ movies alone lately.
I've recently found a new obsession, it's called reality
Either way I've never bothered watching the movies.

Memento Mori
06-13-2006, 03:25 PM
Ahh.... soooo THAT'S why you're here. You're on hiatus from gaming and movies, but, here you are... what will you discuss? I know! Talk to us about reality? What is reality? What does it stand for? What is involved with it. Give us your almighty genius... PLZZZ OMGGG

Redbat
06-13-2006, 03:28 PM
Ahh.... soooo THAT'S why you're here. You're on hiatus from gaming and movies, but, here you are... what will you discuss? I know! Talk to us about reality? What is reality? What does it stand for? What is involved with it. Give us your almighty genius... PLZZZ OMGGG

Sorry, i meant talking to real people, and doing real things instead of just saying "wow! i just killed another tonberry (sp?), let's go see if that guy's gonna say the exact same things as he did 20 times before!"

Sorry, I'm just to lazy to type all that, but you forced me to it. :(

ZOLTAN!
06-13-2006, 03:51 PM
hmmm, i think he's over reacting..

Desert Wolf
06-13-2006, 03:56 PM
to be honest you should save local copies anyway, if only to prove ownership. it's a really bad idea putting anything on the internet that you don't have a backup of on your computer - or even just another website is better.

Well it wasnt that important of a post really was it? It was just another FF debate. But in future I will make sure I save it.

Dragoncurry
06-13-2006, 03:57 PM
Redbat, you are dumb. You can have a life as well as playing video games. I played like 30-45 min a day and had plenty of time for other shit.

ZOLTAN!
06-13-2006, 03:59 PM
Redbat, you are dumb. You can have a life as well as playing video games. I played like 30-45 min a day and had plenty of time for other shit.

nicely said :)

Hex Omega
06-14-2006, 03:07 AM
Round 2 begins.....

Nightowl9910
06-14-2006, 04:36 AM
Round 2 begins.....

I guess it does!

Ok short version (I really don't feel like re-typing everything I put before again, even if it would boost my post count up again lol).

TSW IMO is the technically better movie because of these main reasons:

1) Character models are alot more realistic to watch on screen. The detail on their faces in comparison is much more lifelike, as are the facial expressions and the mannerisms which each of the characters use. The difference is pretty obvious if you watch AC and TSW back to back. There is occasional stiffness in the characters movements (as there also is in AC) but most of the time it's pretty smoothly animated and doesn't detract from the movie's strengths.

2) The voice acting. In comparison to AC this was alot more convincing as the characters displayed a range of different emotions through their voice tone which helped bring their personalities to life.

3) Story - Not particularly original but neatly put together and resolved. The character development between Dr Aki and the Captain also helps give the story extra depth. AC on the other hand has an extremely transparent plot, and aspects of the story which had the potiential to add depth to it were abandoned i.e The Geostigma disease (how that was resolved was an absolute cop out), lack of character development on the relationships between Cloud and Tifa, Marlene and Denzel.

Thats my 2 cents =)

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
06-14-2006, 05:17 AM
The Spirits Within is a bearable movie to watch, the voice actors are actually entertaining in the way they perform and the story (despite the "the earth will save us!" bullshit) is far above and beyond the utter tripe Deus Ex Machina bullshit you get from Advent Children.

To clarify, my Advent Children DVD is now a coaster; and I rented it. I refuse to return this piece of shit to the rental store so that someone else can be subjected to it's godawful shittiness.

Nightowl9910
06-14-2006, 05:24 AM
I refuse to return this piece of shit to the rental store so that someone else can be subjected to it's godawful shittiness.

I'm sure that there's many who would appreciate such a gesture lol.

Still I honestly don't see how it helps. For every copy brought or rented there's probably another 100 made :p (sorry couldn't resist the smartass comment lol).

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
06-14-2006, 05:47 AM
I'm sure that there's many who would appreciate such a gesture lol.

Still I honestly don't see how it helps. For every copy brought or rented there's probably another 100 made :p (sorry couldn't resist the smartass comment lol).

The local rental store only had the one, that's a small population I've saved.

Nightowl9910
06-14-2006, 06:03 AM
The local rental store only had the one, that's a small population I've saved.

Lol. I wouldn't be suprised if Prak chooses to do the same with his copy he he.

Mailbox
06-14-2006, 06:05 AM
I have totally given up on replying to threads I've already replied to. This whole back-up thing is entirely depressing, all 950 posts-depressing.

But in all fairness, AC for me.

ZOLTAN!
06-14-2006, 06:47 AM
I have totally given up on replying to threads I've already replied to. This whole back-up thing is entirely depressing, all 950 posts-depressing.

But in all fairness, AC for me.

lol didn't bother me much and i choose ac.

Dragoncurry
06-14-2006, 07:38 PM
and the story (despite the "the earth will save us!" bullshit) is far above and beyond the utter tripe Deus Ex Machina bullshit you get from Advent Children.

Deux Ex Machina? Isn't that when a good guy appears and solves all the problems out of nowhere? Where was that in Advent Children?

Cloud On A Stick
06-14-2006, 08:27 PM
I've generally left video games/ movies alone lately.
I've recently found a new obsession, it's called reality
Either way I've never bothered watching the movies.

id like 2 bring up this stupidity and tell you your aloud 2 play a video game and have a life at the same time...i bet u didnt know that so there you go...u can play a game or watch a few movies now!

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 04:33 AM
Deux Ex Machina? Isn't that when a good guy appears and solves all the problems out of nowhere? Where was that in Advent Children?

I got the impression Aeris more or less did that with the last minute Geostigma cure rain, when all the kids get cured at the end. ;)

iceberg325
06-15-2006, 07:05 AM
AC for me. Im tired of going back and forth about lol.

MissNox
06-15-2006, 07:16 AM
AC gets my vote.

Plus, I was eagerly awaiting AC.

ekinserge
06-15-2006, 08:23 AM
i love both...

talk about action, definitely AC...

talk about realism, probably TSW...

music?...both rockzs...

MissNox
06-15-2006, 08:34 AM
Yeah, TSW is a little more realistic/futuristic, but I loved in AC how they portrayed Midgar. I find a random normal man who could have come from London or somewhere looking up in horror at Bahamut insanely funny.

ZOLTAN!
06-15-2006, 08:37 AM
i love both...

talk about action, definitely AC...

talk about realism, probably TSW...

music?...both rockzs...

the music in TSW is not that impressive..

Denny
06-15-2006, 08:41 AM
It`s nice to see a once thoughtfull and readable thread reincarnated into a heap of fanboy bollocks.

ZOLTAN!
06-15-2006, 08:43 AM
It`s nice to see a once thoughtfull and readable thread reincarnated into a heap of fanboy bollocks.

yeah i sopose but i told my mate i could get 100 posts in less that 20 mins so don't blame me there's money in this :p

Prak
06-15-2006, 09:07 AM
The music in TSW is 10x better than AC's, guys. It was written by an accomplished movie composer for a movie. The music for each scene was written specifically for that scene and set the mood fairly well. AC's music was mostly adapted from the game soundtrack and it showed in its prominence, which greatly detracted from the atmosphere in the movie.

It's yet another example of Square-Enix cramming all the most unimportant and superficial aspects of the original game into the movie at the cost of all the things that mattered and made the game popular in the first place. Considering that, I have no fucking clue why fans actually like the movie. I mean, it fails as a film and it fails just as badly at reflecting the nature of its source material.

ZOLTAN!
06-15-2006, 09:12 AM
well i said the music in TSW is not impressive but i knew it was 10x better than ac.

Prak
06-15-2006, 09:18 AM
I think you're judging the movie's music according to the wrong standards. The primary job of music in a movie is to work together with the visuals to set the mood. That usually means being unobtrusive. If you don't notice a movie's music on a conscious level, it's probably doing its job properly. Of course, there are moments where it should be noticed, but those are usually when no one is speaking or not much is moving around. In other words, something to keep your attention when the screen can't do it alone.

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 09:21 AM
Have to say I didn't notice anything at all wrong with the music quality in AC. In fact I counted that as one of the movies strengths. Alot of the music was admittedly rubbish in the FF7 game, but as for the film I can't think of any tune which sounded bad and detracted from the atmosphere. I thought the music in both AC and TSW was equally as good (from what I remember of the music from TSW).

Mind you I'm by no means an expert on what makes great music and what makes crap music so I'm quite willing to admit that my perception is possibly inaccurate. =)


It`s nice to see a once thoughtfull and readable thread reincarnated into a heap of fanboy bollocks.

Very true. For once that other one really seemed to be going somewhere toward the end :(

Still maybe we should take what happened with the forums as a sign that trying to make these kind of threads thoughtful and readable is just a complete and utter waste of time lol.

ZOLTAN!
06-15-2006, 09:22 AM
i agree, also in ac the music didn't fit the mood well it did in some place's but most people don't care or bother to listen to whats being played in a film. to know the mood it's there well at least it's soposed to be..

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 09:38 AM
i agree, also in ac the music didn't fit the mood well it did in some place's but most people don't care or bother to listen to whats being played in a film. to know the mood it's there well at least it's soposed to be..

Hmm maybe there's proper potential for this thread yet.

Ok can you or anyone else in here give me a good example of how the music didn't do it's job properly in AC? I'm not just talking about statements but proper reasons/valid examples from a technical point of view.

If anyone can do that, then my opinion of the music in AC being just as good may yet be swayed =)

I'm pretty much done talking on everything else am afraid as I just don't have the patience to think over all that I said in the original thread and re-type it all again lol.

Prak
06-15-2006, 09:47 AM
What I'm talking about is visible in a lot of places. The one that tops the list is the Sephiroth battle. What was the point of having the OWA remix blaring that loud? It's like it was the central focus of the scene, taking priority even over what was happening on screen. The music obviously defined the pace of the entire scene, which is the opposite of the way it should be. A soundtrack is supposed to accent a scene, not have a scene built around it. It constricts the most important thing, the on-screen happenings, and forces them to fit within a tightly confined structure, rather than flowing organically as they should.

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 09:57 AM
What I'm talking about is visible in a lot of places. The one that tops the list is the Sephiroth battle. What was the point of having the OWA remix blaring that loud? It's like it was the central focus of the scene, taking priority even over what was happening on screen. The music obviously defined the pace of the entire scene, which is the opposite of the way it should be. A soundtrack is supposed to accent a scene, not have a scene built around it. It constricts the most important thing, the on-screen happenings, and forces them to fit within a tightly confined structure, rather than flowing organically as they should.

Hmm. Maybe i'm being ignorant here due to my lack of knowledge on the subject, but doesn't the same thing happen in other movies that are classed as being technically good or at least not technically bad?

For example the Jaws theme tune during the shark attacks and the Lord of the Rings theme tune during the battle scenes.

Whats the major difference between AC and those? Maybe it's my memory telling me fibs but i'm pretty sure those were played just as loudly. =)

Prak
06-15-2006, 10:06 AM
They were played rather loudly, and I do hold a couple instances in LotR up as examples of the same problem.

However, in the case of LotR, it was only unacceptable in the smaller battles, where there was significant focus on the characters involved. In the more epic battles, where there were a thousand things happening at once, a bit of sweeping music can actually help to bind it together. However, in the case of a small battle, especially a one-on-one battle, that kind of overblown score detracts from the personal nature of the combat. Consider, for example, that when Gandalf fought the Balrog on the bridge, the music was softer because it was important for you to hear Gandalf's words and be caught up in the character's personal struggle rather than having some throwaway epic action scene. That's how to properly use music in that scenario.

IDX
06-15-2006, 02:07 PM
I liked AC because it was based off a game and had more action than TSW. But then again, a lot of people didn't like TSW because they simply "didn't get it". You kinda have to think a little more to understand the story of TSW, but when you do, it's a really good movie I think. So I'm kinda neutral about both movies. They both have their strengths and the both have their weaknesses.

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 02:44 PM
They were played rather loudly, and I do hold a couple instances in LotR up as examples of the same problem.

However, in the case of LotR, it was only unacceptable in the smaller battles, where there was significant focus on the characters involved. In the more epic battles, where there were a thousand things happening at once, a bit of sweeping music can actually help to bind it together. However, in the case of a small battle, especially a one-on-one battle, that kind of overblown score detracts from the personal nature of the combat. Consider, for example, that when Gandalf fought the Balrog on the bridge, the music was softer because it was important for you to hear Gandalf's words and be caught up in the character's personal struggle rather than having some throwaway epic action scene. That's how to properly use music in that scenario.

Fair enough point =)

Still lets face it neither Sephiroth nor Cloud had anything terribly meaningful to say in that final battle between them. Would it really have done the scene much of a favour if the music had been toned down? The impression I got at the time was that the music was the best thing about that scene, as at least it gave it some atmosphere lol

Prak
06-15-2006, 03:00 PM
And that's the problem. That was supposed to be an entirely personal battle, but there was no sense of that. There was hardly any banter between the two as they sparred. There was no emphasis at all placed on the fact that it was a grudge match. The scene was built around the music, so it was naturally the strongest thing there, and that's why it's a problem.

Nightowl9910
06-15-2006, 03:09 PM
And that's the problem. That was supposed to be an entirely personal battle, but there was no sense of that. There was hardly any banter between the two as they sparred. There was no emphasis at all placed on the fact that it was a grudge match. The scene was built around the music, so it was naturally the strongest thing there, and that's why it's a problem.

Ah, so thats what you meant. I thought that you meant that the actual music quality itself was bad rather than how it was used. I certainly agree with you on that one. It was pretty obvious that the music was used to cover up the scenes weaknesses which was a cop out attitude to the whole thing really.

Still in other scenes i.e Cloud's mobile phone falling into the water, when Cloud speaks to Aeris in dreams, when Bahumut is summoned etc I thought that the music set the tone pretty well.

matt damon
06-15-2006, 04:47 PM
I have totally given up on replying to threads I've already replied to. This whole back-up thing is entirely depressing, all 950 posts-depressing.

But in all fairness, AC for me.
i totally agree. it sucks ass.

oh, and TSW for me

iceberg325
06-16-2006, 05:30 AM
I love AC but the the music in TSW is better. Besides the sephiroth song, I didnt like the music in AC. Whats up with the song thats played when we see clouds phone going down the water. Is it me or that song sucked?

Denny
06-16-2006, 05:35 AM
Yeah, plus it seem slightly out of place.

Anyway, i prefer the music TSW to be honest. Considering it was composed by Elliot Goldenthal a "real" composer. Now although his list of films isn`t great they include Collateral, Alien 3 and the great Michael Collins.

Nobuo Uematsu had a chance to do something great but in my eyes totaly fudged it up for AC.

Nightowl9910
06-16-2006, 05:37 AM
I love AC but the the music in TSW is better. Besides the sephiroth song, I didnt like the music in AC. Whats up with the song thats played when we see clouds phone going down the water. Is it me or that song sucked?

I found it relaxing and soothing to listen to in the background, while hearing Aeris's message to Cloud. I thought it set the emotional tone well.

Thats not to say that I don't think the music for the TSW was also good though. I thought the actual music quality was good in both movies.

LingLing
07-07-2006, 04:41 AM
i like AC better(maybe because it had reno in it) but TSW made me cry... hehe i dont know if it's a good thing or a bad thing... (yess i know... i'm a sissy)

a_nirvana_fan
07-07-2006, 08:17 AM
Obviously Advent Children because its based on one of the best games ever made that is Final Fantasy VII. The Spirits Within is boring and doesnt really relate to Final Fantasy at all.

fastidious percolator
07-07-2006, 08:34 AM
Obviously Advent Children because its based on one of the best games ever made that is Final Fantasy VII. The Spirits Within is boring and doesnt really relate to Final Fantasy at all.

I first saw Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within when i hardly knew anything about Final Fantasy, so back then, rating it with the factor that it's supposed to be a part of Final Fantasy, didn't occur. Then again, i was pretty young when i saw it, so the overwhelming graphics did more than the storyline, which was pretty vague anyhow. =/ I still enjoyed that film.

Prak
07-07-2006, 08:45 AM
Obviously Advent Children because its based on one of the best games ever made that is Final Fantasy VII. The Spirits Within is boring and doesnt really relate to Final Fantasy at all.

Fail.

fastidious percolator
07-07-2006, 08:49 AM
A movie based on a good videogame isn't automatically (and in most cases not) a good film.

Zlanu
07-07-2006, 09:09 AM
AC had a lot more eye candy than Spirits Within. I prefer swords over guns so it was more exciting to watch AC. Sure Spirits Within had a better structured storyline because you didn't have to know any background information buuuuuut, I still preferred AC since I knew the background information. Contrary to Prak's belief...the CG Animation for AC is better than that of TSW. <_<

I think its wrong to automatically downgrade TSW because it had "Final Fantasy" in it and didn't deliver that "FF Factor" buut meh, AC was still better.

O noes, fanboy response FTW....not.

Prak
07-07-2006, 09:18 AM
Fail.

You have not provided information to justify your claim that AC's animation was better. You have also claimed that AC was "better" without providing any clear reason as to why. All you said was "eye candy zomg" and "swords lolz," which are nothing but personal preferences and nothing to do with what makes a good film.

Zlanu
07-07-2006, 09:44 AM
Fail.

You have not provided information to justify your claim that AC's animation was better. You have also claimed that AC was "better" without providing any clear reason as to why. All you said was "eye candy zomg" and "swords lolz," which are nothing but personal preferences and nothing to do with what makes a good film.

True...but last I checked this was a personal opinion thread and therefore I was giving my personal opinion. If I like swords over guns and enjoy seeing characters from FF7 come back to life as opposed to watching soldiers run around dodging pissed off ghosts and collecting spirits here and there then thats my prerogative.

As for the CGI comparison, I can't get proper pictures to compare as they are either too small...too big, too closed up, too far away to give any real comparison without favoring one or the other. Sorry. <_<

Fact is though...neither is actually ranked as a "good film". Spirits Within ended up bankrupting Square Pictures and FF7AC was just...FF7AC. <_<

Prak
07-07-2006, 09:51 AM
This is not a personal opinion thread. It is a debate thread about which movie is technically superior. Not about which is your favorite. Perhaps after the thread was remade following the rollback, that point failed to come across as clearly as it should have. However, it still remains.

And perhaps you're right about neither of them being a truly good film. However, the fact remains that Spirits Within was regarded by critics as a moderately decent film that was a landmark for CGI. Advent Children is regarded by those critics who have seen it as a poorly conceived mess of a film designed solely for rabid fans of the game who would have been happy with only seeing chocobos mate as long as it had the FFVII name on it and Cloud Strife poked his head in to say something emo every few minutes.

Razorbunny
07-07-2006, 10:34 AM
As a film enthousiast, i can agree with Prak about the absurd amount of overacted emo - stuff portrayed in AC and both films lacked a proper screenplay...the voice acting in TSW was far superior...TSW was a revelation in CGI, nothing more, nothing less...

But, speaking in a fanboy perception, i can relate to the fact that many prefer AC because of the known characters and easy-to-pick up storyline

however, in an objective point of view, neither was very good in cinematic terms

Nightowl9910
07-07-2006, 11:08 AM
I think probably a good summary of both of these films, having thought a little more on it since my last post, is that neither are exactly masterpieces, but TSW is the film that has the more professional touch out of the two from a technical angle.

ekinserge
07-07-2006, 11:12 AM
i like TSW because of it's realism...nothing more...

i'm not a genius, but today i watch AC for the eleventh time...

which means that i prefer AC than TSW...

Zlanu
07-07-2006, 11:23 AM
This is not a personal opinion thread. It is a debate thread about which movie is technically superior. Not about which is your favorite. Perhaps after the thread was remade following the rollback, that point failed to come across as clearly as it should have. However, it still remains.

And perhaps you're right about neither of them being a truly good film. However, the fact remains that Spirits Within was regarded by critics as a moderately decent film that was a landmark for CGI. Advent Children is regarded by those critics who have seen it as a poorly conceived mess of a film designed solely for rabid fans of the game who would have been happy with only seeing chocobos mate as long as it had the FFVII name on it and Cloud Strife poked his head in to say something emo every few minutes.

Woops, my bad on the personal opinion part. <_<

Anyhow, yes, you are right on the critics saying that Spirits Within was in fact the better of the two. And since its not a personal opinion...I suppose begrudginly, I have to say that Spirits Within did beat Advent Children on many aspects yet I will firmly say that I prefer Advent Children. Mmmkay?

Prak
07-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Besides, as I've said before, I have absolutely no idea why fans of FFVII liked Advent Children. Consider this:

Final Fantasy VII is known (I argue that this is laughably wrong) for having a deep story and compelling characters. It is the element of the game that most fans tout as the reason for its supposed greatness. However, Advent Children does not live up to the plot of the original. It is a shameless cash-in. The characters all behave in extremely shallow ways. The movie is nothing but a brain-dead fight fest.

So why do fans like it? The movie is nothing like the game. It is merely a string of over-the-top action scenes bound by a paper-thin plot. Why is that good enough for people to regard as a worthy addition to the continuity of what they consider to be the best game ever? Did fans truly not want anything more? Is it really enough for them? If so, what does that say about the fans and the game itself?

It makes no sense at all.

Nightowl9910
07-07-2006, 11:38 AM
So why do fans like it? It is merely a string of over-the-top action scenes bound by a paper-thin plot.


Likely just why alot of people did like it, as thats probably all they wanted out of the film along with the special effects, as for those who don't want to put much thought into watching a film it wasn't that hard to understand.

Plus of course there's the all mighty power of Sephiroth (lol sorry couldn't resist that last :p ).

KaMoDiAn
07-07-2006, 12:24 PM
hmm wasn't this a poll before? ah, well i suppose it's not an exact relaunch so.. anyways.. i'll try not to add spoilers

i think spirits within stood alone quite well and although alot of fans did not like it, their reasoning was shaky. since final fantasy stories don't interlink, i thought the absense of elemental magic was quite refreshing; the merging of both new technology and ancient spiritual energy usage for a story quite interesting. i loved l'arc en ciel for a long time, and thought it was a suitable choice at the end.

Advent children was pure eye candy. good candy, but it did not have as great an impact as when SW first came out. even my father was shocked since it looked better than any of my video games or that old max steele show. also, the plot leaves something to be desired as reviews claim it to be 'picking up' the story after the game ended- that statement is just an excuse to tell the viewers "if you don't get it, you just HAVE to play the game, it's not our fault, but we did our best by giving you a fillerinner in subtitles!". it just seems like further milking of a game that everyone will end up hating if they continue the abuse.

summary: AC (old and busted [concept]) <<< (this means much greater on the uber level) SW (new hotness [concepts])

PontiusPilate
07-08-2006, 11:51 AM
AC definately. I saw Spirits Within when i was about 10 and anything could stimulate me, and the movie still bore the shit out of me.

Prak
07-08-2006, 12:30 PM
That's not what this thread is all about. It is supposed to be a debate thread about the merits/demerits of each film and which one is the superior work.

Monkeydude
07-08-2006, 01:03 PM
Spirits within sucks.. i think it's pointless... FFAC however is a sequel to a good game which makes it good

KaMoDiAn
07-08-2006, 01:42 PM
that statement was kinda redundant. but i forgive you.

Monkeydude
07-08-2006, 02:07 PM
I don't know what redundant means.. oh well..

fastidious percolator
07-08-2006, 03:21 PM
I don't know what redundant means.. oh well..

It means that it was quite unnecessary, since it doesn't hold any decent arguement.

Monkeydude
07-08-2006, 03:22 PM
then i don't think my post was redundant..

Prak
07-09-2006, 11:06 AM
Spirits within sucks.. i think it's pointless... FFAC however is a sequel to a good game which makes it good

I don't see any redundancy, but it was a retarded statement. How exactly was TSW pointless? And why does being a sequel to a game automatically make AC good? I suspect you do not have intelligent answers to those questions, so I will not be expecting any.

Davey-Mac
07-09-2006, 11:14 AM
im agrein whi monkeydude AC was fuckin savage compared to the outer one!! mouse guy ur head is huge!!

Prak
07-09-2006, 11:38 AM
I'm not surprised that you agree with a retarded post, considering that you seem to be rather vacuous yourself.

Sackboy
07-09-2006, 03:29 PM
I would like to say that TSW had better CGI when it comes to detail on the face and especialy the environment when Aki was in time square, however AC beats TSW everywere else. Just the detail on the clothing, the rest of the environment and movements are beautiful.

As for story. Watching TSW is like listening to jazz music. All the FF elements are plastered everywere but without being there. The story is solid and awsome and builds up well, but the only way "everyone else" can really enjoy it is if they're on ADD medication. This film is more artistic with a futuristic feel. AC by all means is not a film like TSW, it's a movie. Fun to watch, great story and great characters but less development envolved. Big FF fans like myself think AC is great but that's because it's fun and exciting, but realisticly TSW is technicaly better and for once I do have to agree with Prak.

iceberg325
07-09-2006, 03:43 PM
AC was IMO a good action flick. TSW was a good sci fi flick. I enjoyed AC better. I was in best buy today and the movie was being played on a big screen plasma, looked awesome.

Monkeydude
07-09-2006, 05:35 PM
Spirits Within sucked because the story was bad, when i saw it i didn't believe it was a real final fantasy thing, just some who copied the name, because it didn't look like something they would make... it was way too boring!

Meet the Jim
07-09-2006, 05:43 PM
It was not as good as Advent Children, but it really did have some good points.

1) The wierd phantom alien ghost things.
2) That legend black dude, he was a great character.
3) Stroyline was original. I wouldnt mind if they made a game of the film of the er............ game? Whoa sorry I got a bit confused there.lol.:)

fastidious percolator
07-09-2006, 06:47 PM
I would like to say that TSW had better CGI when it comes to detail on the face and especialy the environment when Aki was in time square, however AC beats TSW everywere else. Just the detail on the clothing, the rest of the environment and movements are beautiful.

As for story. Watching TSW is like listening to jazz music. All the FF elements are plastered everywere but without being there. The story is solid and awsome and builds up well, but the only way "everyone else" can really enjoy it is if they're on ADD medication. This film is more artistic with a futuristic feel. AC by all means is not a film like TSW, it's a movie. Fun to watch, great story and great characters but less development envolved. Big FF fans like myself think AC is great but that's because it's fun and exciting, but realisticly TSW is technicaly better and for once I do have to agree with Prak.

Total agree, and it's a fact: TSW's graphics ARE better than AC's.

Sackboy
07-09-2006, 09:11 PM
when i saw it i didn't believe it was a real final fantasy thing, just some who copied the name, because it didn't look like something they would make.

You gotta remember, it wasn't just anybody that made the movie. The movie was completely under the wing of Hironobu Sakaguchi, the CREATOR of Final Fantasy. It's the message in the story that counts as always.

RedXIII's Shadow
07-10-2006, 01:43 AM
OMG, I SOOOOOO LUUVVVEDD FFAC, I BE SUCH A FANBOY, AND, I CANNOT CUM UP WITH GOOD REASON TO KNOW WHY I LIEK FFAC SOOO MUCH BUT, IM A FANBOY, PRAK PLLLZZZ MAK FUN OF MEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, this thread was so much fun to read, I figured I'd relaunch it... :)

lol you think your a fan boy look at thsi buddy

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Monkeydude
07-10-2006, 02:13 AM
Stop posting that picture!!! you already posted it somewhere else

Nightowl9910
07-10-2006, 06:22 AM
Spirits Within sucked because the story was bad, when i saw it i didn't believe it was a real final fantasy thing, just some who copied the name, because it didn't look like something they would make... it was way too boring!

Why is it that you thought the story was bad? Admittedly it wasn't terribly original but at least all the events tied in with each other well enough, as well as there being a conclusive ending.

On the other hand parts in AC make no sense at all, and the ending was pretty inconclusive.

iceberg325
07-10-2006, 07:28 AM
Total agree, and it's a fact: TSW's graphics ARE better than AC's.

I cant seem to see that. I think AC looks better.

Prak
07-10-2006, 08:09 AM
You all fail for the mindless blathering. Before the reset, the original thread was quite an interesting debate thread. Now it is a mockery of its former self, filled with the idiotic rantings of FFVII fans, brainless "you're stupid" replies, and no real discussion.

Nightowl9910
07-10-2006, 08:50 AM
Well i would have normally put more effort in but whats the point? :p

I think i'll wait till DW comes back......

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
07-10-2006, 08:59 AM
Litmus test for these two films:

I take TSW out when enough time has passed that I go to watch it again to see if I notice something I missed the previous viewing, whereas with AC everything is IN YOUR FACE and OH SHIT HERE IS SOME DRAMATIC MUSIC PAY ATTENTION.

I'll never watch AC again, and even when I watched it the first time I fast-forwarded through the dialogue because it was so fucking stupid that I couldn't make myself listen to it.

DILLY DALLY SILLY SALLY

Nightowl9910
07-10-2006, 10:32 AM
DILLY DALLY SILLY SALLY

Haha, I couldn't believe how lame that line was. Tifa I thought was actually one of the slightly better portrayed characters in the film (up to that point anyway) so I was expecting the response to have a little more oomph to it than that.

Sackboy
07-10-2006, 06:30 PM
Haha, I couldn't believe how lame that line was. Tifa I thought was actually one of the slightly better portrayed characters in the film (up to that point anyway) so I was expecting the response to have a little more oomph to it than that.

Nei. The WORST line in the movie was when Loz said, "You, meanie!". I like the movie but that part made me want to slit my wrist.

pedo mc tax me softly, black person (whom i love)
07-10-2006, 07:05 PM
Also: It was quite obvious that none of the voice actors gave a shit if they read their lines properly, everyone is a monotone, no real attempts at any sort of emotion whatsoever.

Also, pt. 2: The entire movie sucked so hard it could suck-start a leaf-blower. Seriously.

fastidious percolator
07-10-2006, 07:08 PM
Also: It was quite obvious that none of the voice actors gave a shit if they read their lines properly, everyone is a monotone, no real attempts at any sort of emotion whatsoever.

Heh, i felt exactly the opposite thing in TSW: there the voice-acting was quite good, and convincingly acting, but the facial expressions were really lacking emotion.

Sackboy
07-10-2006, 08:54 PM
Heh, i felt exactly the opposite thing in TSW: there the voice-acting was quite good, and convincingly acting, but the facial expressions were really lacking emotion.

I agree. The detail was good but no expressions.

Nightowl9910
07-11-2006, 01:35 AM
Nei. The WORST line in the movie was when Loz said, "You, meanie!". I like the movie but that part made me want to slit my wrist.

Heh, have to admit i found that part quite funny. I think that Loz was supposed to be a bit of a wuss being the mummy boy that he is.

As for Tifa though, bearing in mind that she's mean to be a fairly tough character, I couldn't believe it when she came out with that line (talking about the actual dialogue as well as the way it was spoken) as it's the kind of comment a 6 year old would make and didn't fit her character at all. I don't know who the script writer was but he obviously didn't have hardly any clue about what he was doing lol.

Dj Remy
07-11-2006, 02:12 AM
I personally liked them both, loved them both i meant. I consider them a great addition to the final fantasy series. TSW told a completely original story, and the animation was top notch, plus the voice actors,(Ming Na-*jizzes on self*) and yet stayed true to the final fantasy theme with the gia thoery and spirits and such, plus Cid.

AC was also very good, as long as you watched the Japanese version. I just didnt like how they brought Sephiroth back just for the fans, I liked Kadaj and his gang, they were great characters, no need for Sephiroth in this one i think.

Nightowl9910
07-11-2006, 05:56 AM
I personally liked them both, loved them both i meant. I consider them a great addition to the final fantasy series. TSW told a completely original story, and the animation was top notch, plus the voice actors,(Ming Na-*jizzes on self*) and yet stayed true to the final fantasy theme with the gia thoery and spirits and such, plus Cid.

The story actually wasn't terribly original. Certain stuff was copied over from other sci fi/FF stories. However IMO the stories strengths made up for that.

Other than pretty much agree with everything you've said there :)

Dj Remy
07-12-2006, 02:18 AM
The story actually wasn't terribly original. Certain stuff was copied over from other sci fi/FF stories. However IMO the stories strengths made up for that.

Other than pretty much agree with everything you've said there :)

Yeah ur right, but as far as other ff stories, pretty original, i mean nobody hack n slashing w swords and magic, summons, u kno what i mean, I agree tho, more sci-fi orientated.:)

bastilashanweb
07-14-2006, 08:14 AM
I must be the only one who hated TSW, I must of saw it when I was 14 and thought it was a pile of tripe, I prefered the visuals in AC, the fights and I cared more about the characters maybe cause I played as half of them.

I mean I sure TSW had more money put ino it cause it was theatrically released while AC was just a DVD release. Hence the better visiuals although I just thought it was stupidily flashy.

http://forums.ffshrine.org
07-14-2006, 03:16 PM
Haha, I couldn't believe how lame that line was. Tifa I thought was actually one of the slightly better portrayed characters in the film (up to that point anyway) so I was expecting the response to have a little more oomph to it than that.

note: it made sense and wasnt as lame in the original japanese
our language doesnt have the copasity to be able to translate it properly

Prak
07-14-2006, 03:21 PM
Yes it does. All they had to do was translate the meaning instead of trying to translate the whimsy.

Nightowl9910
07-14-2006, 04:21 PM
lol good answer.

Sackboy
07-14-2006, 06:42 PM
lol good answer.

bastilashanweb
07-15-2006, 03:34 AM
Something can be indeed lost in translation, somethings can not be translated unfortunately dily dally shilly shally. Wasn't the best alternative I thought it was rather cute, its just a term for all Cloud's nonsense, aoubting himself all the time, she wants him to move on and stop doubting himself.

Dj Remy
07-17-2006, 02:58 AM
Thats a good p.o.v. Never thought about it that way.

The Pain
07-26-2006, 11:57 PM
Someone tell me is PREK a 40 something vergin who still lives with her mom?I found his nature of questioning everything and using perfect english very disturbing.Is he a British?If yes this 'mate' has to calm down a bit.

Prak
07-27-2006, 07:17 AM
Retard alert. All hands to mockery stations.

Meet the Jim
07-27-2006, 07:22 AM
LOL!!

ekinserge
07-27-2006, 08:18 AM
Retard alert. All hands to mockery stations.

bus station doesn't include...

Aeris81
07-27-2006, 08:24 AM
OMG Final Fantasy VII Advent Children was awesome. It continued exactly where the game had left off, plus it cleared up a few questions at the same time and left me wanting more. Now compared to FF Spirits Within I thought that movie STANK!! It was awful. Now some ppl may have liked it but i'm afraid it deffinately wasn't my cup of tea :-(

Prak
07-27-2006, 08:26 AM
Way to not say anything useful in what's supposed to be a debate thread.

Nightowl9910
07-27-2006, 08:39 AM
Newbies rarely seem to be interested in reading all that much of these debates, just in posting their opinion rather than discussing them. Just as you've managed to get one person to consider the possibility AC isn't so perfect after all someone else cuts in and starts the whole "AC is the greatest" stuff again :(

Desert Wolf
07-27-2006, 09:35 AM
"AC is the greatest"

She said it not me!

ekinserge
07-27-2006, 09:45 AM
o.o that's a lie...

how dare you do that to my sis...

Miss_Mitzy_Moogle
07-27-2006, 05:02 PM
They are both good . Did u know? that the lady who does the english Aki plays Mulan. BEAT THAT RANDOM TITBIT! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA *chokes* HAHAHA

Vaincast
08-05-2006, 10:57 AM
Sprits Within was crap, I hated that one, AC was awsome. I'd rather use swords and stuff like that instead of this...stupid jars masks >:O

The Lost One
08-05-2006, 11:02 AM
Is there any need to ask? Sure, SW looked more detailed and stuff, AC wins anyway.

measter yazoo
08-05-2006, 03:59 PM
Sprits Within was crap

those are the words i wanted to hear. Ac is 10 times better. the music was better the fight scenes were better and clouds hair was still gravity defying

Prak
08-06-2006, 09:41 AM
And the retardation in this thread continues unabated.

iceberg325
08-07-2006, 07:14 AM
You're not going to find alot of people who are going to sit at a keyboard and discuss point for point each movie. Not alot of people are going to sit and debate every aspect of which character in what movie had more hair folicles etc... Its just not going to happen. This goes especially for the newcomers.

Prak
08-07-2006, 08:03 AM
I realize that. However, my goal is to reach some of these n00bs and teach them the ways of proper forum posting. The problem is that they don't read the threads they post in. When they do, they ignore all actual discussion because they're too lazy to read more than a line or two. The practice sucks and I denounce it at every opportunity.

Black Paladin
08-07-2006, 08:08 AM
Someone tell me is PREK a 40 something vergin who still lives with her mom?I found his nature of questioning everything and using perfect english very disturbing.Is he a British?If yes this 'mate' has to calm down a bit.

In other words this type of dung.

Prak
08-07-2006, 08:25 AM
Indeed. That is a perfect example of a person who should be removed from the gene pool before they are given the opportunity to contaminate it further.

Nightowl9910
08-07-2006, 08:32 AM
She said it not me!

How could you accuse me of such a terrible thing? :( :p

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