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SonicAdventure
01-05-2016, 10:05 AM
Beware: this is no Deluxe Edition ;)


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Intro

You probably donīt know it... but all CDs I buy are ripped to my PC to be "remastered". Literally everything, from Janet Jackson, Prokofiev or Jerry Goldsmith. I just donīt listen to something where I havenīt at least looked at the frequency response, spatiality or abusements of Loudness. It can be likened to an illness as I cannot enjoy the music unless Iīve worked on the sound or at least had a look. Suffice to say that I find flaws most of the time, in some cases so severe that one has to wonder how artists can allow their work to be destroyed on purpose. Well, my pain is your gain :D
Wanna know another thing? I really donīt like to do Deluxe Editions. Sound issues aside, for me the worst thing to do is the cover. Writing the tracklist? Pain in the ass. So when an officially expanded release comes along I`m usually filled to the brim with joy. I donīt need to do the cover, sound alterations will not be necessary (often, that hope is crushed though). In case of River Wild as released by Intrada ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) last year however I had to do something about the sound as I didnīt like their take on it.


Sound

The River Wild was mastered from original session elements by Douglass Fake. Douglass is the head of Intrada and does most of the mastering for the scores theyīre releasing (this saves a lot of money). His mastering work has always been a mixed bag. I like that he doesnīt abuse brickwall limiting, you wonīt hear Loudness War stuff coming from Intrada. He also rarely changes the overall frequency response, the advantages being that he respects the intentions of the original mixing engineer and that the sound wonīt be tweaked to the newest flavour of the month. The disadvantage is that he wonīt extract the maximum possible sound quality. In other words, crappy sounding scores will still sound crappy when released by Intrada. The worst thing however is his attempt at dynamic compression. He goes the lazy route by raising the gain of soft tracks (you know, music for dialogue scenes containing only parts of the orchestra) by several decibles in order to make them audible - until they are almost as loud as loud pieces (some action music with the whole orchestra performing)! Wouldnīt be a necessarily bad thing... if he also would raise the gain of tracks that not only contain soft parts but also loud parts. With those, youīd have to raise the gain of the soft part only without making the loud part even louder. Iīll try to visualize it:

This is how Intrada releases mastered by Doug sound:

Track 2: softsoftsoftsoft
Track 3: softsoftloudsoft
Track 4: loudloud
Track 5: softsoftsoft

You can see the problem. Overall gain of such a release is pretty inconsistent; one minute just one harp on a soft piece is sounding gigantic and in-your-face while the whole orchestra the next minute sounds as if being far away. One minute you can hear everything clearly, including noise and the orchestra, the next minute you donīt hear anything and you have to turn the volume up.

What I usually do (including this release here) is:

Track 2: softsoftsoftsoft
Track 3: softsoftloudsoft
Track 4: loudloud
Track 5: softsoftsoft

You can see that Iīve reduced overall dynamics - BUT that they are consistent throughout the whole score. While that doesnīt reflect the organic dynamic of an actual orchestra, it is nevertheless easier to comprehend. Now you can hear everything thatīs soft with relative ease (but itīs still soft) while loud parts wonīt blast away your ears or destroy your speakers / headhones.
For River Wild I also changed spatiality and frequency response. The version by Intrada sounded brittle and lifeless; very probably this was the original sound of the sessions. I felt that it missed warmth and charm. Even Bruce Botnick, who prepared the album master, knew this and altered spatiality and EQ for the first OST released in 1994. I did the same but kept a more contemporary sound signature. I really like the sound now!


Cover

Wohoo, I donīt need to do a cover... wait... the Intrada cover doesnīt look that good... but maybe itīs enough... yeah, Iīll use it... is there a HiRes picture online... no... too lazy to scan it... crap, I will redo the cover :D Which is what I did. But I couldnīt bring myself to repeat their font choice (Georgia, the same as on all the posters for the movie), I opted for Adobe Garamond instead.
BTW, I did not redo their back cover, even though I combined some tracks to improve musical flow and an altered cover would have been merited. You can take those tracks apart yourself to fit the back cover, the contents are - apart from a few crossfades - exactly the same as on the Intrada set. Oh wait, I exchanged one track with an alternate: "The Raft". The difference is an added synth and I distinctly remember the revised version being used in the movie. Why Intrada designated it as an alternate is a mystery to me.


Now A WARNING:
1. Once the links expire, I wonīt upload it again, someone else has to do that (maybe by creating mirrors?)
2. Mp3's: I wonīt provide them. But you can do them yourself, itīs easy.




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marmotacarlos
01-05-2016, 10:13 AM
Wonderful, this is a great job. Thanks for share

Ivanova
01-05-2016, 10:23 AM
Cool, and thanks. Very curious to hear this. Did you do a similar job on Jarre's unused score?

SonicAdventure
01-05-2016, 10:30 AM
Cool, and thanks. Very curious to hear this. Did you do a similar job on Jarre's unused score?

Not really. Just some EQ alterations.

Ivanova
01-05-2016, 10:32 AM
Ok. I'm guessing the Goldsmith had more dramatic differences between the "soft" and "loud" parts. :)

SonicAdventure
01-05-2016, 10:36 AM
Ok. I'm guessing the Goldsmith had more dramatic differences between the "soft" and "loud" parts. :)

And another engineer. Jarre had Shawn Murphy (!), Goldsmith had his usual collaborator Bruce Botnick.

NefMor
01-05-2016, 11:09 AM
Thanks for your work on this project and for sharing it.

TeddyV
01-05-2016, 12:06 PM
All right! - a new record (and a Goldsmith, too!) from my favourite label! (Yes! How many more exclamation ! marks can I use in one sentence? ! Just shows you how excited I am.) Have to admit, hasn't been a favourite Goldsmith. The original release, whoever released it, was just blah to my ear. The expanded edition kicked it up to being a pretty darned good Goldsmith. So I'm wondering if better sound will boost it onto the A-list. Love to give it a try. Thanks so much yet again for your time and trouble and for making something like this available. Please could I get a link from you. And Happy New Year. May it be filled with incredible music, among all the other Good New Year's Things.

SonicAdventure
01-05-2016, 12:22 PM
All right! - a new record (and a Goldsmith, too!) from my favourite label! (Yes! How many more exclamation ! marks can I use in one sentence? ! Just shows you how excited I am.) Have to admit, hasn't been a favourite Goldsmith. The original release, whoever released it, was just blah to my ear. The expanded edition kicked it up to being a pretty darned good Goldsmith. So I'm wondering if better sound will boost it onto the A-list. Love to give it a try. Thanks so much yet again for your time and trouble and for making something like this available. Please could I get a link from you. And Happy New Year. May it be filled with incredible music, among all the other Good New Year's Things.

Thanks! :)

A happy new year from me, too. When my CD for River Wild arrived I discovered to my surprise that I didnīt like the score as much as I expected it to. My "remastering" didnīt help, even though it helped to make the score more consistent. Some parts of it are very good, some are not. Well, Jerry Goldsmith only had three weeks to finish this score and I think itīs audible. Anyway, to me, the score is important to share it in this form here.

And the links are contained within the spoiler ;)

justancient
01-05-2016, 12:48 PM
Thanks for the share, Deluxe Edition or not. You can say "I took the CD, rubbed it against balls, and am sharing it with you" and I'd still check it out just to see if it sounded any better. Happy New Year dude.

Minnasan
01-05-2016, 01:46 PM
Thank you very much!

djdom
01-05-2016, 01:58 PM
thanks.

corysun
01-05-2016, 03:14 PM
Thanks for sharing.

microdrive69
01-05-2016, 03:44 PM
Thanks again

Petros
01-05-2016, 08:26 PM
Thanks so much for your work!

GusMac
01-05-2016, 08:57 PM
Thanks for sharing this!

Machionic
01-05-2016, 09:56 PM
Thank you!

FilmScore1978
01-05-2016, 11:40 PM
Thank you for sharing, I always appreciate your efforts!

T4oS
01-06-2016, 12:46 AM
Cool, cool, cool!
An another great job!
Thank you so much!

steve245
01-06-2016, 01:05 AM
Thanks

rubenincubus
01-06-2016, 05:12 AM
gracias

TeddyV
01-06-2016, 10:01 AM
Thanks again, SonicAdventure! Yes, I thought of that last night - to look for the links in your post. D'oh! Downloading now, looking forward to listening to this soon.

soundtrekker
01-06-2016, 10:33 AM
Thanks for sharing your work her again, much appreciated! Have a Good Year, Sonic!

lupin3xx
01-06-2016, 11:28 AM
Thank you!

Fink
01-06-2016, 11:39 AM
Still boring, but still well done :)

vje11
01-07-2016, 09:33 AM
Thanks a lot SonicAdventure

lesterjd
01-07-2016, 10:26 AM
Thanks again SonicAdventure for sharing your version of this score, I'd like to compare it to the original when time permits. Thanks for the insite on your preference on audio quality, and yes I didn't know you remaster everything, that's a lot of work to deal with and as you've done so many you'll probably find it hard to stop remastering. Is there a score where you've looked at it and said wow i'll keep it as is.

ultra_jsdf
01-07-2016, 12:13 PM
One wild score! Thanks!

SonicAdventure
01-07-2016, 12:54 PM
Thanks again SonicAdventure for sharing your version of this score, I'd like to compare it to the original when time permits. Thanks for the insite on your preference on audio quality, and yes I didn't know you remaster everything, that's a lot of work to deal with and as you've done so many you'll probably find it hard to stop remastering. Is there a score where you've looked at it and said wow i'll keep it as is.

Yes. From the top of my head: Species, Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban, Road to Perdition, Episode II, Troy, Nightcrawler, Timeline (the Goldsmith score).

Amouage
05-16-2016, 10:27 PM
This is great thank you :)

Giveall96
01-22-2018, 11:58 AM
Could someone please re-up flac, please?

DarthVader 1754
06-25-2018, 04:17 AM
Bad news, your links were dead.

SiriusBlack
06-25-2018, 08:40 AM
Bad news for us all, shame all that work goes to waste :(
Can anyone who downloaded it care to share?
Thanks either way :)

truemiracle15
06-27-2018, 06:59 PM
Yes, if somebody could share this that would be great.

SonicAdventure
06-27-2018, 07:08 PM
Guys, maybe don't upload this again. I've prepared a new version of this score (that is admittedly shorter). Simply because the complete score is too long and doesn't provide a good musical flow. I managed to improve the sound further... so perhaps it would be advantageous to be patient :)

Giveall96
07-01-2018, 08:29 AM
Guys, maybe don't upload this again. I've prepared a new version of this score (that is admittedly shorter). Simply because the complete score is too long and doesn't provide a good musical flow. I managed to improve the sound further... so perhaps it would be advantageous to be patient :)

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(This meme is not mine though :D but it fits)

cacahead
07-01-2018, 09:01 AM
May your illness to improve sound never end. Great upload. This is one Goldsmiths weakest, but it's still light years ahead of 99% of film music today. Thanks

Billy0005
10-26-2018, 02:16 PM
Can I have the link, pretty please?

Many thanks,
Billy