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Butch
11-02-2004, 04:57 PM
I dont know if you haven't noticed, but its always "Guy save Girl, Girl falls in love, then happy sappy ending."

I mean come on Square, elaborate on something better. Something like:

Girl save Guy

Girl save Girl

Girl falls in love with Girl (Vice versa)

Jeez it'd be nice to see something ***interesting***

Tyrannicide
11-02-2004, 05:14 PM
Are you hinting a little lesbian action is a childs game O.o

And I hate games when the main character is a woman, they seem to weak as a character to do stuff. I like a more badass kinda character.

This was not meant to affend any girls, I have a hard time getting my point across.

Butch
11-02-2004, 07:03 PM
Are you hinting a little lesbian action is a childs game O.o

And I hate games when the main character is a woman, they seem to weak as a character to do stuff. I like a more badass kinda character.

1 Childs game or whatnot. There was an anime in Japan thats for kids called "Shoujo Kakumei Utena" (Revolutionary Girl Utena) and it also had the movie. One girl played the prince, the other played princess. It projected to be Girl-Girl love.

2 it doesn't necessarily have to be a weak characteristic.

all im saying it change the thing up for crying out loud.

Kurisutaru
11-06-2004, 01:55 AM
Hmm ... True, They Are Making The Plot's Alittle ... Repeative.

How About ...

Guy Saves Girl

Guy Falls In-Love With Girl

Girl Dies

Guy Kill's Himself

Ooooh, How 'Bout It Square?

Terra Fire
11-06-2004, 06:24 AM
interesting very interesting i'd like to see them change a few story lines like for example:

guy save's world, with friends guy dies after saving world :)

not great but here's another one:

sorry en't got another one

Ex-SeeD
11-06-2004, 08:11 PM
There was already some impiled lesbian action in FFX-2 and we don't need that shit in another FF game.Guy saves Girl is too overused. Girl saves guy would be somewhat of a change. (i think the good/perfect ending had that with Yuna and Tidus)

A storyline like: Main Charcter: Guy or Girl, could be a poor person in a city and one day he finds out about an evil plot about his country., and meets a bunch of people and brings his/her girlfreind/boyfreind with them on an adventure to stop their counrty's plot.

(Hell that was tough to make up a storyline and I can spot some cliches in there, hey it's not my job to make up story lines.)

Butch
11-08-2004, 08:08 AM
There was already some impiled lesbian action in FFX-2 and we don't need that shit in another FF game.

Looks like some1's homophobic!

Sorry buddy, who the hell cares. As long as its a fucking change.

Ex-SeeD
11-08-2004, 05:33 PM
Oh no I ain't homophobic but that was a lame way to give fanservice. But as long as S-E changes it plots to make it more innovative and creative then I won't mind.

Sarah
11-08-2004, 06:04 PM
it isn't possible to involve lesbians in a plot without it being fanservice? I see.

and yes, I'd love a female main character. FF12 should've been the one they do it in, honestly. :-(

A WILD SNORLAX APPEARS
11-08-2004, 06:31 PM
How about the main character is a DOG? I love it.

PWX
11-08-2004, 07:09 PM
I think you're getting a little too dramatic. There are other tiny things that they could do to make it different too

1) Choose who your main character falls in love with. I hate the fact that if you hate the heroine your character is doomed to fall in love with her rather than some of the girls you liked. Kind of like what 7 did with the Gold Saucer date only a few steps forward

2) Bring back secret characters, they've only done that in 6 and 7... and look at how great 6 and 7 is (not saying its the secret characters that made them great but it does make you wonder)

3) Replayability and New Game Plus features.

4) More of that subtle character revelations that you have to pay attention to notice. Stuff that will immerse people into it even further

5) Bring back Gold Saucer type place where people can go to play "fun" mini-games

6) Be able to customize your Airship or build your own FF town

If they incorporated most of these, I think they could make another really kickass FF game

And I don't know I think FFX was pretty creative. It wasn't something everyone was expecting. Perhaps they should just make a game where the main character remains a loner forever

Kurisutaru
11-08-2004, 07:51 PM
5) Bring back Gold Saucer type place where people can go to play "fun" mini-games


Oh Yeah, They TOTALLY Need More Of Those!

grn apple tree
11-08-2004, 09:31 PM
how about guy saves world, all of friends die, guy gets all sappy, then girl comes along?

jiro
11-09-2004, 03:31 AM
should start as a young boy 16 no less and he accidently saves girl and have become rivals but later lovers

ducky-chan
11-11-2004, 07:59 AM
Like Inuyasha? Bleh. Not all the FF's use the same technique. 7 was different..Although there were hints of damsel in distress and prince saving her and stuff like that. But LESBIANS? how moronic. I think they need to use one where there is an evil woman for the villain, and they guy hero falls in love with her. Would be tempting if you ask me.

Monk
11-11-2004, 11:58 AM
Like Inuyasha? Bleh. Not all the FF's use the same technique. 7 was different..Although there were hints of damsel in distress and prince saving her and stuff like that. But LESBIANS? how moronic. I think they need to use one where there is an evil woman for the villain, and they guy hero falls in love with her. Would be tempting if you ask me.

Well, this certainly would be an interesting twist. It wouldn't be like other FFs, and the hero would have to choose between saving the world or killing his beloved one. That would be really cool. If Square would make such an FF, I'd really be interested. Best idea so far, if you ask me. Go, Tifa_Martial_Artist!!!

Butch
11-11-2004, 04:29 PM
Like Inuyasha? Bleh. Not all the FF's use the same technique. 7 was different..Although there were hints of damsel in distress and prince saving her and stuff like that. But LESBIANS? how moronic. I think they need to use one where there is an evil woman for the villain, and they guy hero falls in love with her. Would be tempting if you ask me.

Homophobic. Get out of my thread.

Zachron
11-11-2004, 07:11 PM
Homophobicphobic aren't we? lol. Ever thought of the possibility that some people find lesbian fanservice to be as demeaning to the gays as it is annoying to us straights... Anyway I'm done with that argument.

I once had a dream where I played a game that went as follows:

Each character had his or her own item list, and when available playable characters exceeded 4, as well has having the option to switch members in and out of the party, there was the option to split the party in two. If there was more than one party, it gameplay switched back and forth between parties every battle. If a party stays the night at the inn or in a tent, it only passed back and forth between non-resting parties for a period of time or until all parties were resting, whichever came first.

Story: Very cliche at first. Knight comes into Kingdom in the company of his Squire finds the kingdom's princess has been kidnapped, and an old blood enemy is trying to destroy the kingdom. Knight rescues the princess, then rescues the kingdom. The knight weds the princess and settles down for a while, but after that he becomes restless. He thought he would go to the country where his father was killed and avenge his father and retrieve his father's sword, but now he's wed a beautiful princess, attained wealth and fame, but he never found the person who slew his father. But he did happen upon from men who met his father, that the sword he carried was a magical weapon that only someone related to the line of it's forger could weild, and that ever it's current weilder should die, it will return to the shrine where it was forged.

Becoming ever restless at the thought that his father's murderer is still out there, and the idea that what he saved the kindom from wasn't truly a great evil but merely a minion of a greater evil, the knight finally sets out to leave the kingdom and return to his homeland where the sword will be found. He and his squire set out on a ship, but the the princess follows along, refusing to let her husband leave on a perilous quest alone, and her nurse-maid follows along, hoping she could keep her lady out of trouble. Shortly out of port, the ship is attacked by pirates. Although the sailors manage to fight off the pirates, the knight is killed in the attack, and his squire is taken prisoner. . . Screw it, I'm keeping the rest to myself and writing my own rpg. lol.

jiro
11-11-2004, 07:18 PM
Homophobic. Get out of my thread.
no u

Ex-SeeD
11-11-2004, 07:32 PM
Homophobic. Get out of my thread.

No offence but what is your problem? TMA was not being homophobic, she just said a lesbian theme in FF would be a moronic idea. Besides she had a good plot idea but you just called her a homophobe for two words she typed?Seriously, lighten up.

I also like forgotten Relm's idea, sort of like a murder mystery, but fantasy themes and a interesting joining(or oblgation) to the princess. That would make a great dark story for a FF game.

Zachron
11-15-2004, 10:30 AM
He's a homophobicphobic. Someone who's afraid of homophobes. But don't homophobes need love too? lol.

Loving a homophobe is like loving a snake. You do it from a long distance... Whip out the poles, boys.

ducky-chan
11-16-2004, 11:47 AM
No offence but what is your problem? TMA was not being homophobic, she just said a lesbian theme in FF would be a moronic idea. Besides she had a good plot idea but you just called her a homophobe for two words she typed?Seriously, lighten up.

I also like forgotten Relm's idea, sort of like a murder mystery, but fantasy themes and a interesting joining(or oblgation) to the princess. That would make a great dark story for a FF game.

Thank you, thank you. I suddenly find that I could use this idea for a fanfiction or something.


Well, this certainly would be an interesting twist. It wouldn't be like other FFs, and the hero would have to choose between saving the world or killing his beloved one. That would be really cool. If Square would make such an FF, I'd really be interested. Best idea so far, if you ask me. Go, Tifa_Martial_Artist!!!

O:]

firedust40
11-17-2004, 06:18 AM
a lesbian theme is seriously not a good idea
it wouldn't be fun to play anymore watching two girls/guys fall in love
and i also noticed that the ff stories always include war between kingdoms and war with a monster....

x_Yuna_x
11-18-2004, 05:04 AM
Aren't they planning a new story line with a new final fantasy coming out in 2005? That's what i heard. Something about a war between two cities and there is a city stuck in the middle. I forget.

Ex-SeeD
11-19-2004, 08:21 AM
x_Yuna_x, it's called FFXII. It's not cities were talking about, the Dalamasca Kingdom is caught between Archadia and the Rosalia Empires. Try looking for more info on other threads and other FF news sites as well. Oh and welcome to FFShrine. Of course we still don't know if it'll be like other FF plots, we'll just have to wait and see.

Maliris-San
11-19-2004, 12:54 PM
Please, stop this lesbian stuff!
Let Square do their job. They did a very good and satisfiying one so far. And if you want to complain about these kind of "save the world" plots look at other games and start to realize that these kinds of RPGīs are like that.
And itīs always wonderful for me to see that Square was able to make a whole new world and storyline around this "save the world". Itīs more dramatic if everything is at stake!
Who would get excited about buying milk, otherwise the cake wonīt be made?

And having girls as main characters is really not bad. There are not many games with this. Not yet!
I support my Square what ever they do.

grn apple tree
11-19-2004, 07:39 PM
ok back to topic how about guy saves world umm lives his life for a while then duty calls again?... it'd be sort of cool you can play the calm peace like the sims sort and yeah...

Spermking69
11-19-2004, 11:14 PM
what if your people wuz chasin a bad guy and a bad girl that wuz madly in love wit each other but they wuz evil, ya know, and they try to take over the world together.
Meanwhile, u and your people is tryn to stop em from takin over the world, and u meet somebody and fall madly in love, and yall is all happy an lovey dovey fightin together to stop these two people, and then near the end, u kill the bad guy's only tru love, and he decide hes got nothin to live for, so at first he decide to destroy the world or somthin but then decide that it would hurt u more if he just killed your one tru love and spared everybody else, so he does and then goes into hiding and u jus cant take it, so u go crazy and decide that the only way to get him is to dstroy the world, so u now become the bad guy chasin the same power the other bad guy wuz chasin to destroy the world wit, while your other freinds try to stop u but u win and u destroy the world, the bad guy dies in the destruction, and u beat the game.

grn apple tree
11-20-2004, 03:09 AM
what if your people wuz chasin a bad guy and a bad girl that wuz madly in love wit each other but they wuz evil, ya know, and they try to take over the world together.
Meanwhile, u and your people is tryn to stop em from takin over the world, and u meet somebody and fall madly in love, and yall is all happy an lovey dovey fightin together to stop these two people, and then near the end, u kill the bad guy's only tru love, and he decide hes got nothin to live for, so at first he decide to destroy the world or somthin but then decide that it would hurt u more if he just killed your one tru love and spared everybody else, so he does and then goes into hiding and u jus cant take it, so u go crazy and decide that the only way to get him is to dstroy the world, so u now become the bad guy chasin the same power the other bad guy wuz chasin to destroy the world wit, while your other freinds try to stop u but u win and u destroy the world, the bad guy dies in the destruction, and u beat the game.


it would be a really good game but the ending seems kind of weak i have nothing better but just saying you know...

Spermking69
11-20-2004, 09:08 PM
it would be a really good game but the ending seems kind of weak i have nothing better but just saying you know...
u right...
so how bout...
when u go crazy and try to destroy the world, the game switches to your freinds, as they try to stop u, and then when they finally get u and beat u, u realize that what u did wuz wrong and that your love wouldn't appreciate u doin that, so u have so much remorse for your evil deeds, plus u still can't bear the fact that your love is gone, so u kill yourself, knowing that the only way you'll be reunited is in death...
meanwhile, the bad guy, who is hiding, he feel the same way u do, so he says "the only way i can reunite with my love is in death..." and he kill hisself too at precisely the same moment u did...

tragic, huh? but at least they are reunited with their loves and happy, right?
wrong.
the bad guy and girl are reunited in hell, cause of the things they did. but at least they are togther.
but u is with them in hell, for tryin to destroy the world, while your love is in heaven...

Silver Wolf
11-22-2004, 05:30 PM
I like that idea! But I also think that RPGs do have that same storyline. and Square does an awesome job keeping us interested in such a cliche storyline, so that sais something about how good square really is!

Zachron
11-22-2004, 06:09 PM
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grn apple tree
11-22-2004, 07:41 PM
u right...
so how bout...
when u go crazy and try to destroy the world, the game switches to your freinds, as they try to stop u, and then when they finally get u and beat u, u realize that what u did wuz wrong and that your love wouldn't appreciate u doin that, so u have so much remorse for your evil deeds, plus u still can't bear the fact that your love is gone, so u kill yourself, knowing that the only way you'll be reunited is in death...
meanwhile, the bad guy, who is hiding, he feel the same way u do, so he says "the only way i can reunite with my love is in death..." and he kill hisself too at precisely the same moment u did...

tragic, huh? but at least they are reunited with their loves and happy, right?
wrong.
the bad guy and girl are reunited in hell, cause of the things they did. but at least they are togther.
but u is with them in hell, for tryin to destroy the world, while your love is in heaven...

yeah that puts a really nice twist sort of ending to it i like it

x_Yuna_x
11-23-2004, 01:48 PM
x_Yuna_x, it's called FFXII. It's not cities were talking about, the Dalamasca Kingdom is caught between Archadia and the Rosalia Empires. Try looking for more info on other threads and other FF news sites as well. Oh and welcome to FFShrine. Of course we still don't know if it'll be like other FF plots, we'll just have to wait and see.

Ah, i see. Thank you.

Adamski
11-23-2004, 03:38 PM
why dont you tell square enix, we cant do anything about it
o______________O

Marceline
11-27-2004, 11:49 PM
Why exactly is a lesbian relationship any less valid then a heterosexual relationship? o_O

seibzehn
11-28-2004, 12:29 AM
I got one.

How about guy wakes up and after a winter of five long years, right as a spaceship from another star lands. They ask him where all the people are and he replies, "There was a war, but I must have won."

No girls, no saving people, but a quest to assemble the past of a dead civilization and to understand a new one. What would it be like to be the only surviving human while knowing nothing of your species past, but still knowing a past existed?

grn apple tree
11-28-2004, 11:20 AM
that doesn't really seem final fantasyish... i dunno i just can't picture final fantasy as that

AnimeGuy
11-29-2004, 08:56 AM
The fact that each Final Fantasy game has similaritys such as the basic setup of guy saves girl, girl falls in love, they save the world; is a trademark of the series and is what makes it successful, becasue you know what to expect. But the games still each posess a unique and compelling storyline with twists, relationship complexitys, and a host of other things new to each installment. Compaire 7,8,9+10.

Danielsan246
11-29-2004, 09:09 AM
Town exile finds out about night raid on town.
Tries to warn people but fails.
Leaves town.
Night raid destroys town.
Exile is blamed.
Law hunts exile while he/she tries to clear name.
Exile lays low hiding out wherever he/she can but gets caught.
Friends who helped him hide spring him free and help him find out plot behind raid.
Raid is part of a much bigger plan and that they must stop.
More plot twists and cool characters.
Nice graphics.
Cool battle system.
Awesome ending.
(Intro is kind of like Suikoden II.)

grn apple tree
11-29-2004, 08:29 PM
Town exile finds out about night raid on town.
Tries to warn people but fails.
Leaves town.
Night raid destroys town.
Exile is blamed.
Law hunts exile while he/she tries to clear name.
Exile lays low hiding out wherever he/she can but gets caught.
Friends who helped him hide spring him free and help him find out plot behind raid.
Raid is part of a much bigger plan and that they must stop.
More plot twists and cool characters.
Nice graphics.
Cool battle system.
Awesome ending.
(Intro is kind of like Suikoden II.)
nice man. it's good

defconx17
11-30-2004, 07:22 PM
Are u guys forgetting Final fantasy X-2. Do not tell me the main characters are men. Oh and The plots do get repetitive, but thats why i like ff games and the lenghty big worlds.

Dragoncurry
12-15-2004, 05:05 PM
Please stop talking about lesbians you guys know Cloud is a cross dresser! Lol. I think it should be... something old school. Back in the da like FF9 only a different story..Hmm O yEAh! Maybe space travel you know?

Wait...I said old school didn't I? DAMN! Whatever a trip to space adventure bab. That would be nice.

Blaise
01-06-2005, 06:55 PM
Yeah the damn love story is ALWAYS the same, byt the rest of the plots are extremly interesting. Take FFX for example, the plot was so amasing, I could hardly believe it. I mean Sin, Al Bhed, The temples, Aeons, SEYEMOUR!!!!! It was sooooooooo coooooool! The plot was twisten and well thought out so it all tied together! YAY! Though the love story was the same, so what, the plot rocked. Though I think they should put lesbien/gay love stories in too, as there are lesbien/gay/both in the real world!

Love Blaise.
XXX =)

Spermking69
01-10-2005, 12:07 AM
lesbian love stories?
yea.
Gay love stories?
HELLLLLLLLLL NO!!!!

Wattson
01-10-2005, 12:24 AM
lesbian love stories?
yea.
Gay love stories?
HELLLLLLLLLL NO!!!!

Please shoot yourself, double-standard setting homophobe.

It's a little cliche-y, butI'd like it if you had to do a bunch of work for a kingdom or side or something fighting someone else, and then somehow it turns out that you were helping out the "bad guys," so you join up with the people you were fighting, and then you realize that they too are bad, so you go and destroy the world before it destroys itself. or somethin'

K-Oz
02-25-2005, 06:01 PM
well...imo an interesting story could be about the player not starting as the hero but a bad guy like Sephiroth was who just before his final victory realizes that there's a much bigger fish out there that needs to be defeated. The player could for example have a "fight against himself" (fight taking place in the main character's mind against a shadow of himself using the same abilities, techs and even battle tactics the player has learned/used before) at the point where he changes sides but will have to regain trust from the different cities of the world he has harrasses before...

Another idea I just had is something like in Chrono Trigger where the main character and the bad guy just change their bodies...(you are playing almost a third of the game in the bad guy's body)

(incase similar stories have been there in the classic FFs I must say that I only know the series from FF7 without spinoffs ^^)

K-Oz


Of course I mean Chrono CROSS instead of Chrono TRIGGER ^^