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Riana
07-22-2003, 04:35 AM
Now, I've been thinking quite a bit lately, and well...this is rather silly I must admit. But we all know that when a character loses their life points (means they die of course), they can be revived so to speak with a Phoenix Down or a Life spell.

Now what interests me, is the sole purpose of this wonderful item and magic spell. Now why was it not considered when it came to Aeris' death? She was stabbed was she not? Why couldn't they just revive her? It's the same thing. But then again, is there some kind of rule in the FF world that when a character dies in battle they are able to be revived there and then?

I don't know. Just where is the realism in this? What were the writers thinking?

I told ya this thread was silly. :p

Tekno
07-22-2003, 05:40 AM
In battle only monsters die, characters get knocked out, Ko'd, get to be unconcious. However, they don't die ^__^
That way they can be revived with a Phoenix down/Life spell (and yes, the name is kinda paradoxial.)

So, there's the rule.. inside the battle.. they get ko'd.. they dun die. Some RPG's bring your character back with 1 Hp if you were ko'd in battle, FF just leaves you there.

Aeris did die, dead people can't be revived without the proper rituals. Press 1 to see 'Buffy' for that ;)

Vivi FF
07-22-2003, 09:04 AM
Yup, that's right, the characters get Knocked Out, not killed. But I still often refer to KO as death.

Another interesting thing about this is the spell Death... You'd think it'd kill someone but really it only knocks them out...

Bahamut ZERO
07-22-2003, 12:36 PM
Alas, this probably goes down with most of life's mysteries, with the reasoning behind using abbreviation to mean a shortened form of a word (it's too damn long) and why we really need politicians at all...

... There is a logical inconsistency in the Final Fantasy games regarding Phoenix Downs and Life spells, I'll admit. Especially why when an enemy character sees its pet dragon / fire dragon / big red scary dragon / Deathguise collapse, it just doesn't cast Life 2 on it and laugh at you as it tears you to pieces?

It's also curious as to how Sephiroth was able to survive attack after attack after attack when your party was throwing everything at him, and in the end he died from fifteen sword strokes...

... Another question that I am personally curious about. Why is it that, in Final Fantasy II, Ultima is a White Magic spell, yet thereafter it is a black magic spell? (Well, okay, in FFX, it is...)

kurohime
07-22-2003, 06:28 PM
I think it's called "LIFE" for the same reason it's called "FINAL Fantasy."

Because they wanted to give us something to scratch our heads about and go, "Duuuhh... contradiction?? Uh... duhh... eehhh... yeah!"

;)

Just kidding.

Tokiko
07-23-2003, 06:06 AM
Yes, we always mock this Life thing.
"Why didnīt they revive Aeris with one of the 99 Pheonix Downs I had bought?"
In FFV they at least tried and tried all kind of Cure and Revive items and spells on their sudenly deceased team mate.
It only triggered my reaction: "Donīt use up all my Pheonix Downs, you silly girl, they cost money!!"
I am so cruel.

Well, the only possibility to make it more realistic is that
... injuries canīt be cured with healing items/spells
... dead characters stay dead forever.
Realism would suck in such a game.

So, yeah, they are K.O.
Only unconscious after getting hit by a Super Nova, by getting sliced in two by a broadsword and visited by the Grim Reaper.
Realism... Thereīs enough of it in Reality. =P

Durendal
07-23-2003, 12:59 PM
It's a fantasy game, that's why it's called final fantasy. Just play the game, have fun, and don't try to have everything make perfect sense, reality has no place here.

marquisscissorman
07-23-2003, 06:47 PM
No one in production liked Aeris.

I did kill the boss of FFX with a zombie attack and a pheonix down. :/

Koenma
07-24-2003, 09:09 AM
I don't care how many people say KO'd. If you get knocked out (in a real life situation here), you'd eventually wake up, wouldn't you? So if that's the case, why does the game end when all of the characters are "KO'd"? Doesn't make much sense to me..

This whole topic isn't too big of a deal for me, but still...everyone on this forum (including those who've never posted, those who've left, etc.) can tell me that characters get KO'd and don't die, and I'll still stick to my own belief (that they die in battle).

=P

Riana
07-24-2003, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Koenma
I don't care how many people say KO'd. If you get knocked out (in a real life situation here), you'd eventually wake up, wouldn't you? So if that's the case, why does the game end when all of the characters are "KO'd"? Doesn't make much sense to me..

This whole topic isn't too big of a deal for me, but still...everyone on this forum (including those who've never posted, those who've left, etc.) can tell me that characters get KO'd and don't die, and I'll still stick to my own belief (that they die in battle).

=P

There, my point exactly. When all the characters being currently played are "K'Oed" so to speak, it ends the game. Why can't they just show the characters waking up afterwards?

There's nothing wrong with it being a Fantasy game, but shouldn't there be a tad more realism to add more challenge to the game?

Durendal
07-25-2003, 08:47 PM
Why don't they just wake up after the battle? Because once all your characters are KO'd then the enemy pulls out a big sword and chops all their heads off, highlander style, then they are dead. It's impied.

Agent0042
07-25-2003, 09:59 PM
Here's something that nobody's mentioned yet, but I think is worth mentioning: SPOILER HERE FOR FFV: Galuf in Final Fantasy V. When he was holding off ExDeath, he kept going on, even after he was at 0 hit points. And he just kept going at him, until he couldn't go any more, at which point it said that his life force was "used up." I don't know, but I suppose something similar happened to Aeris.